To wish people would stop saying 'Jesus' all the bloody time

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I can't read a thread on here without someone saying "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus wept" or similar.

I'm not a prude AT all and I have no issue with people swearing but as a Christian I find it highly offensive when people throw Jesus' name round in a negative way, without a thought for others' feelings and religions.

Most people wouldn't dream of using words that were offensive to other religions so why is it acceptable when it's 'Jesus?'.

This is a genuine message to ask people to PLEASE think before they post/speak.

Of course!

I thought he was the cracker?

Or perhaps he is both. Fully the cracker, and fully on the cracker.

Like hating on the gays and giving kids cancer etc, right?

I'll say the one useful thing on this thread ... vagifem.

Interesting observation, three subjects where people are vulnerable, Religion, bedroom and bathroom!

If you truly believed in your God there would never be any doubt in its/his/her existence. Sure, you might question why you're expected to do this or forgo that. You might even ask yourself "is this really worth it?", especially when you consider you've got something like a 1 in several thousand of being right about your chosen faith. But you'd never doubt the existence of your god.

You'd also surley be paralysed by fear if you truly believed in a god? Having an all knowing, all seeing deity deciding what will happen with your eternal existence based only on what you do in, at most, a few decades Earth, with only an extremely contradictory set of texts (that come with ever changing guidance) to help you make the right choice every time....fuck that for a laugh.

YANBU for wishing it wasn't so prevalent, YANBU for having an opinion and expressing it in a polite and reasoned manner as you have done so in your OP.

However I dont think most people really think about the words they use as expletives.

I feel the same as you - I am also a follower of Jesus Christ - fine with some creative, justified swearing on occasions but I have a (personal) issue with using and hearing Jesus's name and 'OMG' used for the mildest annoyances. It makes me internally and sometimes noticeably wince. Then again, when people are being actively persecuted for their love for Him in other countries it's a very small thing.

Gordon Bennett was a real person!

He disgraced himself so thoroughly that his name has lived on as an epithet.

James Gordon Bennett Jr. (1841 – 1918) in 1877 left New York for Europe after an incident that ended his engagement to socialite Caroline May. According to various accounts, he arrived late and drunk to a party at the May family mansion, then urinated into a fireplace (some say grand piano) in full view of his hosts.

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gordon-bennett.html

I actually thought this thread might possibly just go more about cursing than religion. Why does religion get people so angry? As I said before I’d be seen as a cherry picking type catholic, I come from a holy family, we prayed daily, went to mass on a Sunday. I chose to believe some things and avoided others I suppose- I remember when I was a child my dad had the lovely idea of God being a kind of all seeing being, but one that didn’t really have a say in much, nature, science etc just kind of went on. I’m related to die hard atheists and they HATE my ideas and regularly and randomly used to try to tear me apart and I’d say but why can’t you just let me believe what I want? Why do you have to talk about fairy tales etc? None of us really know what happens in the end! They’re all geniuses (literally!) and I can’t argue facts with them but I take comfort in being able to chat to my dad in heaven, and when my dad was dying he prayed a lot and believed he was joining his parents and I say leave us with that. While I love the community of mass I also amn’t a fan of the Catholic Church, the institution of it. The most religious people I know are (insert awful words here). I work in a shop and generally the ones looking for religious books spout hateful crap at us and I know too many people who are gay and have felt catholic hate which is difficult to weigh up sometimes so I try and make my own way through

Noting patterns is safeguarding. Not all men are like that, yet we know the stats on males and safeguard due to that fact. Men will work together and they will harm especially the personality disordered, they will influtrate institutions, capture them and exploit.

One thing the sex gender debate taught me about institution capture and how a group of mostly men had achieved with dentons solicitors and the UN.

I heard many sad tales that many many lesbians along the way said that they suffered CSA and that is what drove them to speak out I heard the same from gay men and some bisexual women I knew in life that they suffered CSA too.

I saw along the way that they have a very high level of mental health issues as a group.

I understand that those that suffer CSA are more likely to be personally disordered than the general population.

In the Catholic Church, it was mostly gay pedophiles who abused alter boys.

We heard about the Communist gay abuser who ensured the torture of Chinese underground church Catholics and how he abused those at the seminaries. I am no psychiatrist I don't think you need to be one to shout psychipath about this man.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/us/theodore-mccarrick-cardinal-sex-assault-wisconsin.html

www.nytimes.com/2023/04/17/us/theodore-mccarrick-cardinal-sex-assault-wisconsin.html

Watching the secular institution capture really made me look at things again, I was one of many who left the church due to gay peadophile priests that the laity called out and they rebelled against the leadership.

I can understand why those who suffered CSA don't want to be associated with the Q standung for Queer theory by the gay pedophile French philosopher and would rather safeguard.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/12/four-in-five-vatican-priests-are-gay-book-claims

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

https://yogyakartaprinciples.org/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/amp/

Those who run the Catholic church are a very over represented LGBTQ community. I don't think blaming it all on the random powerless laityis accurate when it is the institution that is causing the problem, or being the problem is correct, the problem is those running the show, every serious case review shows that those who work in institutions will defend the institution not the vulnerable and you see this with NHS staff sho will abuse the vulnerable via Annexe B for money and status.

It's easier to manipulate and scam someone than tell them that they have been scammed as they say. So yes I have gone over the concept of God and being Catholic no I am not terrified at all, I am an imperfect sinner. I have since some the first Saturdays to make reparations for my past and part the Rosary as Fatima/Russia and apostasy is happeningas we were told it would. I don't care what names people call me anymore, I care about the second death judgement.

Women have no idea quite how much men hate them, I think was something a famous feminist said.

Though they aren't perfect, I have never met a Catholic who calls themselves a sinless Saint, maybe you have.

So yes I walk the narrow gate and path now.

Why does religion get people so angry?

Industrial scale sexual abuse of children. Forced adoptions. Control of women's bodies with contraception and abortion. Oppression of LGBT people. Bishops in our HoL. Rank hypocrisy.
Need some more?

“…in a negative way”

I’ve never really thought of saying “Jesus Christ” or “Oh my God” as being a negative thing. Quite the opposite really, people say it when they’ve seen or heard something troubling or challenging and they’re appealing to their god for support.

I’d have thought as a Christian it would be comforting to know that your deity was people’s go to in times of mini crisis.

Im not sure “Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ” is altogether respectful though.

I think it’s more the self-delusion that actually winds a lot of people up.
How can people base their lives and happiness on impossibilities.

And what “impossibilities” are those?

Well, rising from the dead for a start.
I’m also remembering my father getting quite upset after a funeral. ‘How can they say that? They can’t possibly believe it. All that rubbish about going to a better life.”
He didn’t want to be comforted with lies. It really upset him. It’s deep rooted.

Jesus fucking Christ is my favourite.

It's not as if people are thinking of Jesus shagging himself when saying it.

It's highly liberating.
See also christ on a bike and oh my fucking god.

They aren't said with any sexual nature about god / Jesus fucking each other.

Crikey, crumbs, gosh, goodness just don't cut deep enough and make you sound like a wet lettuce.

If you're offended when people say Jesus Christ, do you also practise no sex before marriage? Do you also forbid yourselves from contraception and condoms?

Just because you don’t believe it, upsets people etc doesn’t make it impossible though (although I believe the rising from the dead was allegorical for several different reasons shown in the Bible).

To be impossible you would have to prove a negative. No this is actually nearly always impossible, all you can work with are probabilities here.

Well, rising from the dead is impossible and some people do believe it literally.
It’s not about me. I’m just trying to address the question ‘why does religion get people so angry?’ I think the answer is quite simple. People don’t like being deceived and people don’t like being lied to and people don’t like people who deceive and lie to themselves.’
That’s how it looks. Absolute proof is not required. It’s a visceral, instinctive thing for many.

You often hear ‘it’s allegorical’ so what do religious folk believe in? Which aspects do they think are truth, and which are allegories?

Well I’m not a mainstream Christian so I believe that there was a teacher called Yeshua ben Joseph who told these stories, these stories were allegorical with the meaning hidden revealed only to those who walk the narrow path through the narrow gate, ie it’s teaching for the few not the many (most likely aimed primarily at Jews). It’s probably a baton picked up by Peter and fucked up by Paul when fell over and had some kind of seizure on the Damascus Road

However, you’ll get a very different answer from most mainstream Christian’s

It’s not about me. I’m just trying to address the question ‘why does religion get people so angry?’ I think the answer is quite simple. People don’t like being deceived and people don’t like being lied to and people don’t like people who deceive and lie to themselves.’
That’s how it looks. Absolute proof is not required. It’s a visceral, instinctive thing for many.

It's probably partly that and partly that - once the magic starts to fall away - we don't like the underlying man-made power structure that's revealed, and its corruption. Part of the reason for the rise of Protestantism was the power and monetary corruption of the Roman church, but science and rationality weren't quite far enough advanced to throw off belief in the supernatural. Now the churches - all of them, not just RC - are found to be morally bankrupt as well in their institutional coverups of paedophilia and other sex crimes.
The apocalyptic preacher Yeshua ben Joseph got angry with the corruption of the Pharisees etc ... I wonder if he'd be more outraged at the things ostensibly done in his name than some version of it being used as an epithet?

Arsing Atheist sounds like a favourite too!

Arsing Atheist sounds like a favourite too!

That's directing your ire at a group of actual living people. I wouldn't go around saying (can't think of a good alliteration...) cocking Christians or bloody Buddhists etc. Seriously not equivalent!

If you're offended when people say Jesus Christ, do you also practise no sex before marriage? Do you also forbid yourselves from contraception and condoms?

Does "The Bible" explicitly forbid those things ? Or (like a lot of Christian guff) are they patriarchal retrofits ?

In the absence of any scholarly rebuttal, I would suggest that a ban on pre marital sex is all about ensuring daughters kept their value as chattels, and the ban on contraception was to ensure an endless supply of altar fodder. Any woman that follows them would be hypocritical if they then didn't include the "obey" part of the marriage vows.

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Ah yes, always a reason why we must not offend Atheists!