To wish people would stop saying 'Jesus' all the bloody time

[Sortyourlifeout]

I can't read a thread on here without someone saying "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus wept" or similar.

I'm not a prude AT all and I have no issue with people swearing but as a Christian I find it highly offensive when people throw Jesus' name round in a negative way, without a thought for others' feelings and religions.

Most people wouldn't dream of using words that were offensive to other religions so why is it acceptable when it's 'Jesus?'.

This is a genuine message to ask people to PLEASE think before they post/speak.

Are you joking? Christianity is the most respected religion in the world.

@SpeedSnap

You know at the end it tells you not to delete parts

Do you know that? In which case do you adhere to the following?

Leviticus 15:19-33

199* “Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days. Anyone who touches her during that time will be unclean until evening.
200* Anything on which the woman lies or sits during the time of her period will be unclean.
211* If any of you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
222* If you touch any object she has sat on, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
233* This includes her bed or any other object she has sat on; you will be unclean until evening if you touch it.
[[https://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/leviticus/15-28.html
28]]8* “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.
299* On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
300* The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding.

(For the avoidance of doubt, ignore the third digit of each number in the above - it's a formatting error. So 300 should be 30, 277 should be 27 etc.)

Right? What the actual fuck?

You know at the end it tells you not to delete parts.

Is that in Revelation? Martin Luther didn't think that should be in the canon at all.

There's a lot of variation in which books different sects consider canonical, and all were written after Jesus died so he didn't provide the list. One man's scripture is another man's apocrypha.

I don't live my life according to some random trendy, confident narcissist with good debate skills and how they interpretations or world views or my HR departments chants.

The thing is the woman hater and his third revelled they wouldn't worship Jesus a man and hated that a woman would birth him and see him again in revelation. Instead of veneration of the mother of God, they warp things with random women and leave Christ out of his church.

Why would someone try to cause strife in someone else's family and their legal world view, not mind their own business, in my experience I know why.

OP do you know that there are plenty of people who see "bloody" as a swear word and find it offensive, yet there it is in your post.

Tell that to the thousands who died already in one country so far in 2023, Christians are the most persecuted currently.

There's a lot of variation in which books different sects consider canonical, and all were written after Jesus died so he didn't provide the list. One man's scripture is another man's apocrypha.

Which is we need da menz to tell us what they mean, obviously.

One of the things I love about Mumsnet is the support given to and by other posters. Marriage problems? Some say leave your husband. Some say stay with him. Don't remember reading any unkind, thoughtless or rude advice or comments. Telling someone else's child off for continuously spitting on the street? Some agree with it. Some don't. Again - pretty respectful posts from all and sundry. But anyone posting on Christianity? Oh my goodness. The vitriol! Someone has met a Christian who is a hypocrite? That means all Christians are hypocrites. You've met someone who calls themselves Christian but ...(add any sin you want to, here) so all Christians are child abusers, thieves etc. But does any of this actually make sense? I've met plenty of atheists who are hypocritical etc but that doesn't mean to say I think all atheists are hypocrites or bad people. And it definitely shouldn't mean that I leap on them from a great height, either. We are all human - Atheists and Christians. Christians, people who follow other religions and Atheists do wrong things all the time. We are human. That's what humans do. We sin. Me, you, everyone. We are all hypocrites on occasions. Me. You. All of us. The only difference I can see is that one group of us wants to follow Jesus. And doing that means that there should be a huge, vitriolic pile on by some Mumsnetters? Wow...
And don't assume all Christians are uneducated morons. If we are, I'd pull your kids out of school right now - because lots of teachers are quiet Christians. Doctors? Im my friendship group I count a paediatric surgeon and a specialist in geriatric medicine. My husband is an Oxford educated mathematician. I used to know a Christian rocket scientist (yes, really). Christians are everywhere. Of course, there are highly educated and intelligent Atheists. We're all part of the human race. I'm saying this to everyone - me included. Do I really want to be dismissive, rude or vitriolic to anyone just because of their beliefs? Do you?

Its surprising to me that more people don't realise this!
I went to a catholic school and I realised this when I was 10.

We eat pork and ceased circumcision, there is a reason. Someone giving their interpretation or pulling random out of context old testament just makes me shrug.

Me too and walked away as I didn't like peasphiles and had a childs understanding. I remember being a teen thinking Mary can't have been an ever Virgin. I then later looked at things again as an adult with life experience.

Peadophile

I then saw the secular institution capture and Yogyakarta Principles etc, then looked at things again.

@Snippysocks

I get it, it's nice to be nice. Absolutely.

But if you write a post on how offended you are when people use Jesus or God as a swearword, then immediately say that you're guilty of it popping out of your mouth on occasion too, then people are going to be at the very least a bit dismissive, surely?

From my point of view it's the presumption of "right" that's the sticking point, and it's sort of impossible to ever get to the bottom of a good reasoned debate, because one of you has got A Book, which is either to be followed to the letter or loosely interpreted depending on which way the debate is going.

It's just all a bit daft really.

You managed to type that without any self awareness whatsoever.

I would accuse you of being a chatbot, but at some level chatbot and headbanger god botherers are inseparable.

Woah there, you though that it was a bit ridiculous to belive that a virgin could give birth until you grew up and later looked at it from an adults' perspective?

How does this work?

We sin.

"sin" is a human construct.

No, I never stopped belief in the Virgin birth, IVF was around then.

I thought she wasn't an ever virgin. As a teen I assumed that St Joseph was like the boys at school.

As I gained life experience I understand that there are a-sexual men and Holy people.

I wasn't taught at school for instance that Mary went to the Jewish temple and that she was the equaliviant of a Nun.

Christians, people who follow other religions and Atheists do wrong things all the time. We are human. That's what humans do.

If Christians really believed they were going to be judged by a supernatural entity who could send them into torment for all of eternity for their "sins", they would behave better.

No-one can really believe it.

I think you misunderstand. The hypocrite in this case is the blaspheming Christian telling others (incl. non-christians) not to blaspheme her religion, despite blasphemy only being an issue within the rules of the religion.

@SpeedSnap

No, I never stopped belief in the Virgin birth, IVF was around then.

Aha, okiedoke. So what happened to IVF between 4BC and 1978? Did it go off the boil?

This

Every Christian I've ever met picks and chooses which parts of the Bible to follow. Most agree that the "rules" set out in the old Testament simply reflect the laws and customs of the time.

The important part, again based on what I've seen and had explained to me, is following the message and the ideals that Jesus delivered.

Thus, in my opinion, if you can live a good life, do good in the world, be kind to others, work hard etc - then what power does a quick "oh my god!" have to override that?

(As an aside, Jesus invoked God on the cross, asking why he'd been forsaken. Was that taking God's name in vain?)

You never really did answer to the posts about the fact you have used For God's sake on threads on MN yourself though did you

So that poster might be amazing but is it fair to hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself?