Page 9 | Made in Chelsea blokes - twins via surrogate

HermioneKipper · 2023-04-25T18:39:17+00:00

More “celebs” commissioning a woman’s body to buy a baby. When is this going to be made illegal 😡 And twins again. So many of them have twins. I think I get a bit triggered by this especially as I have twins and know how dangerous twin pregnancy can be for both mother and babies. And what it does to a woman’s body. No one could consent to this. Had to switch off Giovanna Fletcher and her simpering podcast when they started talking about “their” miscarriages. Horrific amounts of bleeding, pain and horrendous wrenching emotional pain for you was it mates? No, didn’t think so.

Crunchyb · 26/04/2023 08:38

I know a gay couple who openly told me they paid their surrogate £20k expenses + legals, here in the UK approx 7 years ago. Now I don't know about you but I certainly didn't incur £20k of expenses on me when pregnant

The surrogate also gets her paid maternity leave and maternity benefits. They aren’t contingent on keeping the child.

If she has other young children who would usually be in childcare she can pull them out for that year and look after them herself. That’s another financial benefit for a woman who feels she is juggling too many balls badly and would like to spend more time with her children.

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HermioneKipper · 26/04/2023 08:41

Crunchyb · 26/04/2023 08:38

I know a gay couple who openly told me they paid their surrogate £20k expenses + legals, here in the UK approx 7 years ago. Now I don't know about you but I certainly didn't incur £20k of expenses on me when pregnant

The surrogate also gets her paid maternity leave and maternity benefits. They aren’t contingent on keeping the child.

If she has other young children who would usually be in childcare she can pull them out for that year and look after them herself. That’s another financial benefit for a woman who feels she is juggling too many balls badly and would like to spend more time with her children.

And what if something happens to her?

Horrendous birth injury when she has other children to look after?

Its not a fun jolly being pregnant and giving birth you know

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Sorryyoufeelthatway · 26/04/2023 08:42

The issue here is that its women who are poor with a lack of other opportunities are the ones who sign up for this.

Its the same as prostitution in that you can always have access to a woman’s body if you pay.
No one who is rich or has not experienced trauma goes into commercial surrogacy.

All we see in the media are the happy rich parents.

Debate is shut down as ignorant people shout homophobia or good old capitalist choice. They refuse to look at baby factories in the developing world and desperate women in the likes of the USA.

Crunchyb · 26/04/2023 08:49

And what if something happens to her?

Horrendous birth injury when she has other children to look after?

Its not a fun jolly being pregnant and giving birth you know

I’m not advocating surrogacy. I’m making it clear that despite some women wanting to help out people or couples who can’t have their own children they are ultimately financially motivated.

There probably is the rare case that is truly altruistic where close family or friends are involved but many of the issues with surrogacy are still relevant.

Naunet · 26/04/2023 08:52

britnay · 25/04/2023 20:12

How do you propose two men have a child?
Should they not be able to have children because they are a gay couple?

Correct, they are unable to have a baby themselves, being two men - that’s simple biology. They can adopt.

FoodCentre · 26/04/2023 08:55

britnay · 25/04/2023 20:12

How do you propose two men have a child?
Should they not be able to have children because they are a gay couple?

The ethics of surrogacy does not hinge on what adults/men want. It's unfortunate that they can't have biological children or carry a pregnancy, but it's not really relevant as there are other ways to build a family.

Surely2023IsTheYearForMyRainbowBaby · 26/04/2023 08:55

@dailytalk well not damaged enough to stop her from having 3 more taken off her years later for being neglectful

gogohmm · 26/04/2023 09:00

True altruistic surrogacy eg a sister carrying for a sister who cannot have children due to having cancer surgery (best friend, cousin, but close personal connection) I do not struggle with, it's always happened unofficially. It's the purchasing of children I struggle with

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/04/2023 09:09

When is this going to be made illegal 😡

Never.

No one could consent to this.

And yet she did.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/04/2023 09:13

HermioneKipper · 26/04/2023 08:41

And what if something happens to her?

Horrendous birth injury when she has other children to look after?

Its not a fun jolly being pregnant and giving birth you know

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On that basis, no woman should have a second child of her own in case something awful happens during birth and she can’t look after the first one. In your world, siblings wouldn’t exist.

Clymene · 26/04/2023 09:15

They bought the eggs from a Brazilian woman, had the embryos frozen in Mexico and flew the mother to Cyprus to have the embryos implanted.

toomuchlaundry · 26/04/2023 09:18

@Clymene those children aren't going to be impacted by their conception are they!! How can people think this is okay?

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HermioneKipper · 26/04/2023 09:20

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/04/2023 09:13

On that basis, no woman should have a second child of her own in case something awful happens during birth and she can’t look after the first one. In your world, siblings wouldn’t exist.

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How are you being so dense!

Its not siblings is it.

Shes doing it for the highest bidder to sell the baby at birth! FFS

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QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 26/04/2023 09:25

Jazsimone · 25/04/2023 21:03

@HermioneKipper

I'm sure your gay "friends" would be interested at your narrow minded pitiful excuse of reasoning for surrogacy.

Maybe ask them round to discuss it, I'm sure the room will empty pretty quickly.

Woman are offering surrogacy, they are not pinned down and forced. They CHOOSE to do it.

What is not clear to you?

Gay men aren't a monolith, I'm pretty sure some may have differing views to you. A gay friend I know thinks Maggie Thatcher was amazing and staunchly Tory which I find bizarre.

Riceball · 26/04/2023 09:26

Crunchyb · 26/04/2023 08:38

I know a gay couple who openly told me they paid their surrogate £20k expenses + legals, here in the UK approx 7 years ago. Now I don't know about you but I certainly didn't incur £20k of expenses on me when pregnant

The surrogate also gets her paid maternity leave and maternity benefits. They aren’t contingent on keeping the child.

If she has other young children who would usually be in childcare she can pull them out for that year and look after them herself. That’s another financial benefit for a woman who feels she is juggling too many balls badly and would like to spend more time with her children.

£20k for working round the clock with literally no breaks for 9 months. Growing a baby with tissues from your own bone and blood with all the health implications that has. No thanks.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/04/2023 09:30

HermioneKipper · 26/04/2023 09:20

How are you being so dense!

Its not siblings is it.

Shes doing it for the highest bidder to sell the baby at birth! FFS

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I’m not being dense at all. You, on the other hand, are being beyond dense. I KNOW the baby wouldn’t be a sibling to any older children. But guess what? “Horrendous birth injuries” can happen with any pregnancy. You can’t use potential birth injuries as an argument against surrogacy unless you’re arguing against pregnancy full stop.

Newnamenewname109870 · 26/04/2023 09:32

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/04/2023 09:13

On that basis, no woman should have a second child of her own in case something awful happens during birth and she can’t look after the first one. In your world, siblings wouldn’t exist.

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yes women shouldn’t be allowed to have children or play sports or to to space. Oh wait…

Newnamenewname109870 · 26/04/2023 09:33

Riceball · 26/04/2023 09:26

£20k for working round the clock with literally no breaks for 9 months. Growing a baby with tissues from your own bone and blood with all the health implications that has. No thanks.

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No one is asking you to do it. Forget that it’s not about you.

Newnamenewname109870 · 26/04/2023 09:34

Simonjt · 26/04/2023 05:46

So you do think its okay to buy children then?

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Currently buying one with my ivf 😘

SummerLovingDays · 26/04/2023 09:36

Clymene · 26/04/2023 09:15

They bought the eggs from a Brazilian woman, had the embryos frozen in Mexico and flew the mother to Cyprus to have the embryos implanted.

Seriously? It's disgusting. The child is just a transaction.

SummerLovingDays · 26/04/2023 09:38

MakesMeFeelSad · 25/04/2023 23:56

Why do people always compare it to puppies and kittens staying with their mum for 8 weeks

Ever hand reared a baby animal? No one wants to be bottle feeding, washing and stimulating their puppies/kittens so they can go to the loo every 2 hours day and night until they are weaned 🙄

Because people seem to have more compassion for animals than a human baby.

SummerLovingDays · 26/04/2023 09:41

secretllama · 26/04/2023 06:22

I just can't get outraged over surrogacy when the baby is so loved and wanted when there's children who have literally never experienced an ounce of love in their life/been abused by their natural parents.
I wonder how people would feel morally about banning these people becoming mothers. Do you agree with sterilising these people? Why would that be different to literally banning loving parents having a child via surrogate?

Well provide this loving home to a child that needs it e.g adopting, fostering.

Why intentionally create a situation where a child is going to be deprived of at least one of its biological parents and family?
Then there are the issues of 'buying' a baby.

The whole thing is wrong and should be banned.

sugarspices · 26/04/2023 09:43

Their surrogate lives in Chester and reached out to them when she heard they desperately wanted a child. I'm not surprised they accepted that offer! I hope they do some sort of transition with her in the home once the baby is born though if possible. The point about not removing puppies until 8 weeks - I think the damage would be higher if baby lived exclusively with her for 8 weeks then left to live with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

SummerLovingDays · 26/04/2023 09:45

sugarspices · 26/04/2023 09:43

Their surrogate lives in Chester and reached out to them when she heard they desperately wanted a child. I'm not surprised they accepted that offer! I hope they do some sort of transition with her in the home once the baby is born though if possible. The point about not removing puppies until 8 weeks - I think the damage would be higher if baby lived exclusively with her for 8 weeks then left to live with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

So you agree there is some damage to the baby when separated form the mother?

Jayneisagirlsname · 26/04/2023 09:46

Tygertiger · 25/04/2023 20:53

Adoption is about providing a forever family for a child who already exists and is in desperate need of it. It is a wonderful thing to do - which is not to downplay how hard it is, for all parties involved. It is only done when all other options have been exhausted (and there is no voluntary adoption in the UK, really - children up for adoption have been removed from their birth parents who could not parent them safely or effectively).

This is not what happens in surrogacy. surrogacy is creating a baby to order and then knowingly removing it from its mother. Not the same at all as adoption. Those who think it is need to read up on the fourth trimester and attachment disorder. It is not in a baby’s best interests to be removed from its mother even if there are willing people waiting to be its new parents.

Also, a few ethical questions:
what if the mother dies in labour or as a result of complications afterwards?
What if a scan shows the baby will have a disability and the prospective parents wish to abort but the pregnant woman doesn’t?
What if she is left with permanent injury after the birth?

This.

Also children who have have been looked after children at any point in their lives, no matter how young or for how long, are entitled to additional support due to the trauma they have been through.
And yes, being removed from the mother is a trauma even with loving parents waiting for you.
Do those using women's bodies for children acknowledge this or provide this? I