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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

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bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
TerfIngOnTheBeach · 25/04/2023 14:04

I wouldn’t be happy either. Neither a window opening onto my land nor a window looking directly into the garden. Whether that was ten fee or 1000 feet from the house. It renders that area of my garden unusable.

what if your neighbour wanted to build A lovely summer house down there, let their children use it for a playhouse or teenagers for sleepovers? They can’t now because your bathroom is permanently looking directly into their garden.

ohnonowwhat · 25/04/2023 14:04

Why are people saying that the neighbour's being silly because he has a huge garden and this only affects a bit of it? Presumably he bought the house with the big garden because he wanted a large garden, not so he could limit himself to a portion of it so some stranger can gawp at him and let their poo smells out into the rest! He owns the entire plot and therefore has every right to use the entire plot. Even though I do nothing at all interesting in the garden I hate the idea of being overlooked, I'd rather have no garden at all than pay extra for an overlooked one - and he presumably paid quite a lot extra for his big, private space. If it were me I'd absolutely block it. A sun tube would've been better (and most likely a lot cheaper), could you get rid of the opening window and just install a non-opening pane of highly obscured glass?

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 14:04

Redebs · 25/04/2023 13:42

Sounds like the planning permission was only uncontested because the neighbour had died. That's pretty mean.

I agree. OP & her husband is in the wrong here

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 14:06

ExhaustedPigwidgeon · 25/04/2023 13:31

i do get that but for me the bigger issue would be the smells and sounds coming out of the bathroom. If they leave the window open and have a loud poo - or if they leave the extractor fan on after a shower for ages and leave the window open so you can hear that buzzing sound the extractor makes. Or if you’re sitting on your seating area having a glass of wine and you get to watch the neighbour having their evening shower because they forgot you can see in.

yeah, fair enough...

StoppinBy · 25/04/2023 14:06

I'd be pissed off if I was your neighbour too.

No you can't open your window into their property. No you can't expect them to be ok with it. At the very least you should have put some sort of a sliding window in rather than one that entered their property.

I'd hate to have to be wary of hitting your window while mowing or having to always tell my kids to be careful when playing that they don't bump into your window and with kids that have ADHD you'd be lucky if my kids didn't put things through your window (potentially including themselves if it was open wide enough) despite my best efforts.

Serves you right for going ahead with it when you thought you would get away with it.

justforthisnow · 25/04/2023 14:07

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 14:03

If I was the neighbour I'd erect a 6 foot fence right on the border of my land, two inches from your window.
You are so out of order, op.

This with bells on.

Bluebells1970 · 25/04/2023 14:08

Think you and your DH need to eat some humble pie here, OP.

Legal is one thing; moral is another.

2bazookas · 25/04/2023 14:09

You need to go to HARPY mode as in 2.

PrincessScarlett · 25/04/2023 14:09

It doesn't matter that neighbour has a massively long garden, he may want to use the entirety of his garden and now has been limited because your sneaky DH has got planning permission for the window just because the former neighbour died. Your DH knew he'd be refused having already asked previous neighbour so he knew exactly what he was doing in sneaking it in whilst property was empty.

Agree with another poster that if I was neighbour I would be sticking a shed up where your window is.

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 14:10

It is like buying a house next to a church and then complaining that the church bells ring..... oh wait.....
No, it's nothing at all like that, actually. Bizarre analogy.

RestrictiveCovenant · 25/04/2023 14:10

I think your dh is a massively cheeky fucker op. It was a really sneaky time to do this. I would be seriously pissed off if I bought a property and found some cock living next door had sneaked in a window invading my privacy. We have an old restrictive covenant covering a newer build next door property, expressly forbidding this sort of thing. At one point planning permission was sought (and granted) to them to extend a certain aspect of it. This permission has nothing to do with whether they could actually do it though, as our next door cheeky fucker found out once we got the solicitor on it. We paid a premium for a garden that wasn't overlooked, and we will do whatever we have to to try to keep it that way. I am guessing your new neighbour feels the same way, as he has every right to.

DangerNoodles · 25/04/2023 14:12

I have a garden like your neighbours, it was the main reason we bought the house. I would be devastated in your neighbour's situation because we do like to use the entire garden. I can't believe you thought it would be acceptable to lean into your neighbours garden in order to clean the window or have it open so they can see into your bathroom, hear all your bathroom noises and smell all the smells. It's not very dignified for you is it?

In your situation I would leave it, otherwise it will turn into a full neighbour dispute, which you will have to declare if you move. You are lucky they haven't put a fence up to block the window completely.

Also, why is it relevant that they are new to the village? Does that give them less right to complain about CF neighbours?

steppemum · 25/04/2023 14:17

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 14:10

It is like buying a house next to a church and then complaining that the church bells ring..... oh wait.....
No, it's nothing at all like that, actually. Bizarre analogy.

well it is the same.
You buy a house which has certain things or is in a certain place and then complain about those things or that place.

I think putting the window in was a sly move from OP's dh.

BUT the planning permission for that window was there BEFORE he bought the house.
Legally the permission was there. It was up to his lawyer to point it out and the lawyer failed.

Now that doesn't mean that it was a great thing to do to put that window in, as people have said it will effect his garden. But there is this undenialble fact that he either knew about it before he moved in, or he should be suing his lawyer who should have told him.

This is not the same as the window being put in after he moved. He bought the house with that window. (even if he didn't know it)

So you buy a house with a certain feature and then complain about the feature!

I do understand all the sympathy for the neighbour and how this window has effected the garden, but that all assumes that he didn't buy with his eyes open, and he should have done. If he didn't then he needs to sue his lawyer.

Gooseysgirl · 25/04/2023 14:17

Sorry OP what your DH did was not fair. This happened to my aunt, she had neighbour's garage overlooking the back of her garden on the side, they converted it to a gym and put two windows in. She promptly planted several laurels in front and the garage has not seen the light of day for several years. She has always said that if they had just had the decency to discuss with her she may have reached some form of compromise with them eg misted, non-opening windows.

Tessasanderson · 25/04/2023 14:18

I think whats needed here is an adult conversation with your DH. In life there are situations where you push the boundaries and sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesnt. He has been a borderline CF and tbh from the tone of your responses you feel this too. Its amazing how your old neighbour gets such lovely words but your new neighbour is getting it in the neck for feeling exactly the same way.

Tell you DH that he has made a mistake and get it filled in. It sounds pointless anyhow. This testosterone filled pussy footing around isnt helping anyone and he will not, and shouldnt be allowed to win.

Then enjoy your still lovely bathroom and try to build some relations with your neighbours who sound like they have been railroaded into a situation they didnt want to be in. All they have done is stand their ground to a CF which is probably what you would have advised them to do if they had posted from their POV on here. Life is too short to have such toxic situations.

A34 · 25/04/2023 14:20

It doesn't matter how little an issue this would be for posters, it's clearly an issue for the neighbour.

StrongTea · 25/04/2023 14:21

Could you buy the tiny bottom section of the garden the window opens on to? Then fence it off?

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 14:23

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 13:22

Made a couple of diagrammatic additions to help clarify.

Feeling very suitably chastised, I must say.

If it's any consolation OP, I don't think you deserve the anger or name calling you're getting here.

It sounds like your DH did something in the sneakiest way he could to benefit you both. No I don't think what he did was right, but he wasn't doing it to piss the neighbours off, was he? He obviously did it to improve your own home. He's got it massively wrong and it is a costly mistake. But still doesn't warrant the abuse on here.

Secondly, I really don't like it when people go against their words. Don't bother agreeing to something and then going against it...just be honest FFS.
The guy agreed to a limiter on the window and then proceeded to block it up making it impossible to open. Why agree in the first place? Your DH said he was being threatening...not on. Don't threaten. Don't agree to things when you have no intention of letting it happen. Don't fob people off.

I fully get why he's pissed off but he should have said that he had a problem with the window and the fact it opens into his property and he was going to take legal action if not rectified or you reached an agreement and stuck to it.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 14:24

StrongTea · 25/04/2023 14:21

Could you buy the tiny bottom section of the garden the window opens on to? Then fence it off?

The window isn't at the bottom of the guys garden.

KimberleyClark · 25/04/2023 14:24

Gooseysgirl · 25/04/2023 14:17

Sorry OP what your DH did was not fair. This happened to my aunt, she had neighbour's garage overlooking the back of her garden on the side, they converted it to a gym and put two windows in. She promptly planted several laurels in front and the garage has not seen the light of day for several years. She has always said that if they had just had the decency to discuss with her she may have reached some form of compromise with them eg misted, non-opening windows.

We converted our garage but it never crossed our mind to put in a window on the side overlooking the neighbour’s garden. We put a window at either end of the garage and one overlooking our garden.

KimberleyClark · 25/04/2023 14:25

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 14:24

The window isn't at the bottom of the guys garden.

And why the hell should he sell it to them and make his garden smaller.

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 14:26

StrongTea · 25/04/2023 14:21

Could you buy the tiny bottom section of the garden the window opens on to? Then fence it off?

what do you mean buy? Why would the neighbor sell a section of his garden?

BatsHaveButtcheeks · 25/04/2023 14:28

It's a small window with opaque glass. I'd be more worried if I was the OP, going about my business in the bath and the neighbour could see my outline if the light was on or something.
I honestly don't see the angst over this.

skyfalldown · 25/04/2023 14:29

I feel like I'm going mad here because I genuinely cannot comprehend his issue, and I don't understand people saying he's in the right. He's just moved into a new property, a big life change and is getting upset at his new neighbours who he'll be living beside for years about... a window? far away from his house? that nobody can even see into/out of?

some people have too much time on their hands

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 14:30

steppemum · 25/04/2023 14:17

well it is the same.
You buy a house which has certain things or is in a certain place and then complain about those things or that place.

I think putting the window in was a sly move from OP's dh.

BUT the planning permission for that window was there BEFORE he bought the house.
Legally the permission was there. It was up to his lawyer to point it out and the lawyer failed.

Now that doesn't mean that it was a great thing to do to put that window in, as people have said it will effect his garden. But there is this undenialble fact that he either knew about it before he moved in, or he should be suing his lawyer who should have told him.

This is not the same as the window being put in after he moved. He bought the house with that window. (even if he didn't know it)

So you buy a house with a certain feature and then complain about the feature!

I do understand all the sympathy for the neighbour and how this window has effected the garden, but that all assumes that he didn't buy with his eyes open, and he should have done. If he didn't then he needs to sue his lawyer.

Surely all this depends whether the neighbour and/or lawyers knew it was a window that would open into his property.

A window Vs an opening window are different as one actively impacting his garden use