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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

489 replies

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
delilabell · 26/04/2023 09:12

Just wanted to say @bathroomwindowargh it's so lovely that both you and dp are listening to the points on here. Aibu's hardly ever change their opinion!

bathroomwindowargh · 26/04/2023 09:22

delilabell · 26/04/2023 09:12

Just wanted to say @bathroomwindowargh it's so lovely that both you and dp are listening to the points on here. Aibu's hardly ever change their opinion!

Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm pretty upset about the whole thing this morning and really seeing it from neighbour's POV.
I wish I'd thought more about it pre-window and objected strongly but frankly I doubt it would have made a difference as DH probably still thinks of this as more his house than my house and would have just overrode me.
He is, though, fully intending to apologise to them now. And we're obviously not going to object to the wood or anything else.
I'm going to have to try and balance a kind of neutral stance with an apologetic one without looking too much like I've not got DH's back. Although he does now know I'm angry with him - I told him yesterday that he's put us both in this situation.
I really just let him get on with it because I thought he knew what he was doing. That was my mistake.

OP posts:
ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 09:26

meatbaseddessert · 26/04/2023 00:35

Quite. I have a 200 METER garden and this would fuck me off.

Our new neighbours moved in and chopped down a load of trees on their side of the boundary which means that when ever we go to the bottom of our garden we can see right into their bathroom. Irrespective of the window privacy film we can still see errr 'outlines' which is pretty unpleasant when tending to a herbaceous border or sharing a gin with a friend Hmm

I'd imagine it is 🤢
It beats me why op actually wants a bathroom window positioned such that the neighbours could actually draw up a chair and sit right outside the glass should they so choose 🤯

Cakeorchocolate · 26/04/2023 09:37

SofiaSoFar · 25/04/2023 23:01

@Cakeorchocolate

Haven't rtft...

Clearly. 🙄

Is coming to a thread and proudly announcing that you couldn't be arsed to read it before posting incorrect advice/assertions supposed to prove something..?

Excuse me for not having time to read 17+ pages of comments and having no way of knowing there's "an experienced barrister" who has posted.

I gave my opinion based on ops posts. Which claim the dh claims to have pp for it.

I didn't set out to prove anything! It's not uncommon to not rtft and just read ops posts.
MN welcoming as always!

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 09:42

Which claim the dh claims to have pp for it
Unfortunately op is being deliberately vague / ambiguous on that point.
It's not actually clear at all that pp has been secured.

monsteramunch · 26/04/2023 09:48

So for clarity's sake OP, have you seen written confirmation of PP for the outward opening window?

Surely since this thread, if you've been chatting to your DH about all this like you say, you'd have asked him to show that to you so you know for sure either way...

crossstitchingnana · 26/04/2023 09:59

I think your neighbour is being a dick. There is as much chance of you watching him from there as from your own garden. And as for "encroaching on his property" that is so petty. It's 5cm if that. How's that going to affect him? Christ some people have no life.

henchhen · 26/04/2023 10:03

crossstitchingnana · 26/04/2023 09:59

I think your neighbour is being a dick. There is as much chance of you watching him from there as from your own garden. And as for "encroaching on his property" that is so petty. It's 5cm if that. How's that going to affect him? Christ some people have no life.

Well, I mean it's going to affect him directly as it looks into his garden. Just what they want, being able to see their neighbours getting showered while they're sat in their garden

GoldDuster · 26/04/2023 10:17

I'd be pissed off if my neighbour did this. I have zero wish to listen to the sounds of him straining echoing off his bathroom tiles of a morning while I'm in the garden with a coffee.

The window wasn't there, should't be there, and your husband needs to rectify his own fuck ups, not look to you to deal with the neighbour who is rightly annoyed.

Never mess with a boundary wall unless you've got no choice. It's the hot potato of neighbourly disputes. Brick it up and call it a lesson.

HeadNorth · 26/04/2023 10:22

Never mess with a boundary wall unless you've got no choice

I agree - it is right up there with 'never invade Russia in the winter' as a piece of wisdom to live your life by.

GasPanic · 26/04/2023 11:14

I think people posted the solution in the first few posts. Recessed sash window.

That is if you actually have pp.

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 11:16

GasPanic · 26/04/2023 11:14

I think people posted the solution in the first few posts. Recessed sash window.

That is if you actually have pp.

That won't solve the overlooking / nuisance issue.

GoodChat · 26/04/2023 11:18

Op could you black out the window from their side and put lights between the blackout and the pane so you still get what looks like natural light?

Although I guess you're screwed when a bulb goes

Jonei · 26/04/2023 11:19

I'd brick it up and look at the ceiling daylight options that someone posted upthread.
If I was the neighbour I'd be putting a fence right along that window and blocking it entirely.

Inthesamesinkingboat · 26/04/2023 11:30

I’m not sure you are really being fair calling his behaviour bullying. You’ve put a window that overhangs into his garden, you did it when the property was vacant because you knew it was cheeky, what is the poor man supposed to do? If you have put a window limiter in surely his piece of wood is irrelevant and not impacting you, unless the limiter is not tight enough?

personally if I was him I’d put the shed across the window completely so you don’t accrue a right to light and be done with it

Xarrie · 26/04/2023 11:45

Inthesamesinkingboat · 26/04/2023 11:30

I’m not sure you are really being fair calling his behaviour bullying. You’ve put a window that overhangs into his garden, you did it when the property was vacant because you knew it was cheeky, what is the poor man supposed to do? If you have put a window limiter in surely his piece of wood is irrelevant and not impacting you, unless the limiter is not tight enough?

personally if I was him I’d put the shed across the window completely so you don’t accrue a right to light and be done with it

Me too. I think calling him a bully is ridiculous.

SirTarquin · 26/04/2023 11:51

@meatbaseddessert

Irrespective of the window privacy film we can still see errr 'outlines' which is pretty unpleasant when tending to a herbaceous border or sharing a gin with a friend

And you could see the outline of someone in the bathroom tending to their own herbaceous border.

I'll get my coat

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 11:52

SirTarquin · 26/04/2023 11:51

@meatbaseddessert

Irrespective of the window privacy film we can still see errr 'outlines' which is pretty unpleasant when tending to a herbaceous border or sharing a gin with a friend

And you could see the outline of someone in the bathroom tending to their own herbaceous border.

I'll get my coat

😂

GasPanic · 26/04/2023 11:55

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 11:16

That won't solve the overlooking / nuisance issue.

That's a non issue if they have pp.

Unless people aren't allowed to look out of their windows anymore.

bathroomwindowargh · 26/04/2023 12:02

GasPanic · 26/04/2023 11:14

I think people posted the solution in the first few posts. Recessed sash window.

That is if you actually have pp.

And I said fairly quickly that sash window impossible because window is only 13 inches high!
Having massive discussions with DH right now re this and other decorating issues, but just wanted to answer that one. I am aware I haven't properly answered the pp questions but that would take longer, because it's more complicated than I thought it was.

OP posts:
DrPrunesquallor · 26/04/2023 12:02

GasPanic · 26/04/2023 11:55

That's a non issue if they have pp.

Unless people aren't allowed to look out of their windows anymore.

Planners may give permission for something that there is no legal right for.
Planners do not have any responsibility to check these, it’s not their remit.
It is the responsibility of the applicant to ensure they act within their rights.
I could get planning to build a block of flats in my neighbours garden but that doesn’t mean I can.
Getting planning approval is not the be all and end all.
This is a boundary wall so there are many legal hoops to jump through.

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 12:05

bathroomwindowargh · 26/04/2023 12:02

And I said fairly quickly that sash window impossible because window is only 13 inches high!
Having massive discussions with DH right now re this and other decorating issues, but just wanted to answer that one. I am aware I haven't properly answered the pp questions but that would take longer, because it's more complicated than I thought it was.

I am aware I haven't properly answered the pp questions but that would take longer, because it's more complicated than I thought it was
It's not remotely complicated. It's either been granted, or it hasn't. Quite simple.
I deduce that it hasn't...

DrPrunesquallor · 26/04/2023 12:06

bathroomwindowargh · 26/04/2023 12:02

And I said fairly quickly that sash window impossible because window is only 13 inches high!
Having massive discussions with DH right now re this and other decorating issues, but just wanted to answer that one. I am aware I haven't properly answered the pp questions but that would take longer, because it's more complicated than I thought it was.

As you’re having a discussion now OP with dh
Please tell him your neighbour could, quite rightly, get a court order for the removal of the window.
This is not cheap and will be your responsibility to pay your neighbours costs.

monsteramunch · 26/04/2023 12:07

I am aware I haven't properly answered the pp questions but that would take longer, because it's more complicated than I thought it was.

I assume this means your DH hasn't confirmed the details of the PP to you, as it should be pretty clear if the outward opening window was included in the permission or not if he'd given you access to the paperwork.

He's tried his luck and been caught out. I hope he stops complaining they won't allow the window to be used and accepts he fucked up. And doesn't damage your relationship with the neighbours.

Do you stand by calling the neighbour a 'bully' now you've read everyone's comments?

Hairpinleg · 26/04/2023 12:26

If there's no planning permission for the window, the neighbour should insist on having it removed as it's devaluing his property. Especially as there's every chance he'll want to move in the future because of the bad feeling his new neighbours have created.