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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

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bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:58

GoodChat · 25/04/2023 16:54

Or, to be fair @AliceOlive, if he didn't walk the full length of the garden on viewing

Right. He really seems ridiculous in any case. It's either his fault for not looking, or the solicitor and seller's fault for allowing the change while the house was under contract.

Please OP, do not apologize for this or you will be in for all manner of unreasonable behavior from this man.

Hairpinleg · 25/04/2023 16:59

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 16:55

The window was built while elderly deceased neighbour's son still owned the house with his full knowledge and permission.

So current NDN bought it knowing the window was there? So why is he making a fuss now?

It was obviously put in after the sale was agreed and the neighbour found it as a surprise when he moved in.

Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 17:01

The neighbour should block it. Problem solved because you have no right to light.

OrangeRock · 25/04/2023 17:01

I’d suck it up and say that you accept the window won’t open, it will be a solid glass for light purposes only and can you clean it once or twice a year if it gets dirty?

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:04

Hairpinleg · 25/04/2023 16:59

It was obviously put in after the sale was agreed and the neighbour found it as a surprise when he moved in.

Correct. Which was why DH tried to make sure he'd been told, by both routes open to him (EA and son of deceased neighbour), many times, and was assured that he knew.
Then he moved in and claimed NOT to have been told.

Although at one point he apparently said to DH - I should have contacted you - which is why we think he could be telling porkies, but the comment slipped by unchallenged apparently and of course I wasn't there, this is all reported to me by DH.

OP posts:
StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 17:04

Hairpinleg · 25/04/2023 16:59

It was obviously put in after the sale was agreed and the neighbour found it as a surprise when he moved in.

Not necessarily but if that's the case, the solicitor should have flagged it. Either they weren't competent or NDN didn't see it as an issue before exchange.

diflasu · 25/04/2023 17:04

Hairpinleg · 25/04/2023 16:59

It was obviously put in after the sale was agreed and the neighbour found it as a surprise when he moved in.

That what I thought had happened.

Would explain why previous owner and estate agent were supposed to mention it to the new buyers.

Though I would have expected the new person's solicitor to pick up on the planning permission for the window.

Lou197 · 25/04/2023 17:04

I do not see the problem here. you applied for planning permission, you advised the previous owner, planning permission was granted. The window is frosted. No issue. You have not done anything wrong. I would probably ask the window company if you can open the window inwards if possible. There might be something they can do. Try not to worry and continue to enjoy your home.

monsteramunch · 25/04/2023 17:05

@bathroomwindowargh

You had PP for the bathroom but did you have PP for the outward opening window specifically OP?

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:07

monsteramunch · 25/04/2023 17:05

@bathroomwindowargh

You had PP for the bathroom but did you have PP for the outward opening window specifically OP?

The bathroom was put in fifteen years ago.
The window six months ago. And TBH I don't know the details because it's all DH's baby. But quite possibly not.

OP posts:
MathsNervous · 25/04/2023 17:08

Put a sky light in and that way you can box up the window to appease your neighbour. I don't blame him for being annoyed.

monsteramunch · 25/04/2023 17:10

I think mentioning the planning permission over and over is a bit of an error in that case OP, as it doesn't really matter if you had PP for the bathroom when your neighbour's issue is with the window specifically.

If there's no permission for that, and it sounds very much like that's the case, then your DH has taken a big risk and had his bluff called.

He thought he could get away with it (as you said) and he hasn't, them's the breaks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Have you not asked to see the planning permission so you know exactly what the state of play is? It's your home too, you should have access to all the info.

BadNomad · 25/04/2023 17:12

RestrictiveCovenant · 25/04/2023 16:47

We had one of these in a hallway in our previous house op. It wasn’t possible to have a window (very odd lay out), but this went up to a higher roofline and let in a ton of natural light. Might work tunnelled up through the garage.
https://solatube.co.uk/residential/

@RestrictiveCovenant

I need one of these! I have a really dark hallway that gets zero natural light unless a bedroom door is left open. Can you remember how much it cost?

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:12

monsteramunch · 25/04/2023 17:10

I think mentioning the planning permission over and over is a bit of an error in that case OP, as it doesn't really matter if you had PP for the bathroom when your neighbour's issue is with the window specifically.

If there's no permission for that, and it sounds very much like that's the case, then your DH has taken a big risk and had his bluff called.

He thought he could get away with it (as you said) and he hasn't, them's the breaks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Have you not asked to see the planning permission so you know exactly what the state of play is? It's your home too, you should have access to all the info.

Two separate pps.
I do know that there was a visit from a council official while I was away to look at the window, she was more concerned that it's a white window than that it exists at all, but in the end it was okayed. So it's been looked at and approved. Neighbour knows this.

OP posts:
ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 17:13

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:07

The bathroom was put in fifteen years ago.
The window six months ago. And TBH I don't know the details because it's all DH's baby. But quite possibly not.

There was a bloody good reason there was no window for 15 years, and your dh waited till the neighbour was dead to sneak an application in!
I don't believe a word about planning permission. It was clearly refused when the original renovation was done, why would it be given permission now?

DrPrunesquallor · 25/04/2023 17:13

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:07

The bathroom was put in fifteen years ago.
The window six months ago. And TBH I don't know the details because it's all DH's baby. But quite possibly not.

You noted the works were all ‘signed off’.
Planners don’t sign off work. ( they may visit large sites periodically ) The ‘signing off’ would be Building control which has nothing to do with planning.

If you do not have the approval you can check all the documents on your local planning site.
Put in your post code on the council planning applications website and all drawings plus explanation of what’s proposed and the approval notice is there for you / and your neighbour to view.

I suspect you are in breach of planning.

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:14

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 17:13

There was a bloody good reason there was no window for 15 years, and your dh waited till the neighbour was dead to sneak an application in!
I don't believe a word about planning permission. It was clearly refused when the original renovation was done, why would it be given permission now?

We didn't ask for pp for a window first time.

OP posts:
ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 17:14

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:14

We didn't ask for pp for a window first time.

Why not?!

Elsiedarlingputthekettleon · 25/04/2023 17:15

This happened to us. On the party wall to the left of our garden the neighbour took advantage of the house (ours) being empty before we bought it and built a crappy extension/lean to. The house is rented out so we have had several neighbours. The window to the leant to runs all the way along the party wall from our kitchen extension to our brick shed. The window opened onto our garden and they used to just hang in there being nosey, throwing cig butts out etc. In the end we spoke to the person who owned it and they basically said it was years ago, so tough. Then the next renter decided to put a camera up to film. He wasn't mentally well, but still not acceptable.

My DH built a fence. Right along the party wall. Blocks out their window and limits them opening it. They weren't happy, but it's our side and legal, where I would hazard a guess theirs is not.

monsteramunch · 25/04/2023 17:16

Just to clarify OP, are you saying that you definitely having planning permission for an outward opening window?

Or that you haven't seen that in writing, you just have your husband's word for it?

If the latter is the case, you need to ask him for the paperwork so you know what's happened more clearly.

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 17:16

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 17:14

Why not?!

Because, as I said in first post, neighbour (as in deceased DH of more recently deceased elderly neighbour) said no. Which we accepted.

OP posts:
DrPrunesquallor · 25/04/2023 17:17

Elsiedarlingputthekettleon · 25/04/2023 17:15

This happened to us. On the party wall to the left of our garden the neighbour took advantage of the house (ours) being empty before we bought it and built a crappy extension/lean to. The house is rented out so we have had several neighbours. The window to the leant to runs all the way along the party wall from our kitchen extension to our brick shed. The window opened onto our garden and they used to just hang in there being nosey, throwing cig butts out etc. In the end we spoke to the person who owned it and they basically said it was years ago, so tough. Then the next renter decided to put a camera up to film. He wasn't mentally well, but still not acceptable.

My DH built a fence. Right along the party wall. Blocks out their window and limits them opening it. They weren't happy, but it's our side and legal, where I would hazard a guess theirs is not.

If this happened uninterrupted for 20years they they will have acquired an easement.
If less then a county court judgement would have made them block it all up.
Plus if the window is right next to your house, that’s a fire hazard. Again a breach of building regs.

LakieLady · 25/04/2023 17:17

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:37

i do get that but for me the bigger issue would be the smells and sounds coming out of the bathroom. If they leave the window open and have a loud poo - or if they leave the extractor fan on after a shower for ages and leave the window open so you can hear that buzzing sound the extractor makes. Or if you’re sitting on your seating area having a glass of wine and you get to watch the neighbour having their evening shower because they forgot you can see in.

But, @ExhaustedPigwidgeon, with lots of houses you're much much closer to people's bathrooms than the neighbour is here! So is that an issue? It looks like his garden is about 100 feet long. Would he be able to hear anything from there? If you lived in a flat with a garden you'd be much closer to people's bathrooms!

I agree@piedbeauty .

I live in a semi-detached house. Both houses have their bathroom on the outside wall at the back, so as far from the neighbouring garden as it is possible to be.

Despite that, if I'm in the garden and NDNs are using their bathroom with the small transom window open, I can hear them shitting, pissing and Mr NDN hoicking up phlegm and spitting.

It's not nice, but it's part and parcel of living adjacent to other people.

The time for the new owners to object was at the PP stage, and they didn't. If they're pissed off with anyone, it should be their solicitor for not pointing out the application or the recently granted PP.

I think the NDNs are being a bit precious about it, tbh.

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Elsiedarlingputthekettleon · 25/04/2023 17:24

If this happened uninterrupted for 20years they they will have acquired an easement.
If less then a county court judgement would have made them block it all up.
Plus if the window is right next to your house, that’s a fire hazard. Again a breach of building regs.

I've no idea how long it had been there but now it's definitely more than 20 years. They have three windows, one is next to the corner of our kitchen extension, the middle one is the one that actually opens, and the end one is next to our brick outbuilding. The latest neighbour knows nothing about the previous issues, and hasn't commented regarding the window not quite opening. It's also been sold again and the new owner who is renting it out hasn't said anything either. I just get on with it now becasuse the issue was resolved, but not sure if the OP may have problems.

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