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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

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bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 16:42

Sorry I know there's a hundred questions I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed.

Trying to answer some - we most definitely had pp for the bathroom originally and it was signed off after construction.
Bathroom has hitherto been ventilated by electric extractor fans. Which we still have.
It's the only bathroom.
The window was built while elderly deceased neighbour's son still owned the house with his full knowledge and permission.

Answering this and similar - Looking at the diagram, it seems more likely they both bought property that was historically like this. Maybe it was all one property at one time. Form the odd shape, it looks like she's in an old carriage house or outbuilding. The wall of her home is what makes his garden "private".
This is spot on. It's all very old estate buildings, dating from way back before building regs, and carved up almost arbitrarily. One house was the main house, one was a butcher's ours was actually an abattoir so technically it's a barn conversion. The gardens are all different shapes and sizes and yes it's our back wall that makes his garden private, exactly so.

Lastly I did not buy this house, DH bought it before I even knew him, then we met and got together and I moved in. It has its lovely points and very much its downsides too. (He doesn't really see the downsides, or not as much as I do.)

I've had a discussion about all this with DH. He can actually see a lot of these points and he's psyching himself up to apologise and I'm pretty much going to keep out of it. He's not nasty, but he's not good with understanding people and I think he thought that because neighbour's son was ok with it it would all just be seamless.
And I've been away a lot over the last few months - partly because we've had no damn bathroom - so I was out of touch with it all and leaving it to him.

I'm actually really grateful for everyone's opinions and I think we made a mistake and need to make amends and I totally take on board that neighbour can put up his trellis etc. More importantly I think I've got DH to understand it better.
And sorry for pulling the menopausal excuse but I really do feel horribly ragey a lot of the time and I never used to at all before the menopause. But normally I can channel it productively.

OP posts:
LivelyBlake · 25/04/2023 16:43

I’d cancel the meeting with your neighbours and either keep the window closed or replace it with an inward opening window. And try to forget the whole thing

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 16:45

Trying to answer some - we most definitely had pp for the bathroom originally and it was signed off after construction
Without the window overlooking your neighbour's garden, though?

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 16:46

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 16:45

Trying to answer some - we most definitely had pp for the bathroom originally and it was signed off after construction
Without the window overlooking your neighbour's garden, though?

Doubt they had permission for the window.

WinterDeWinter · 25/04/2023 16:47

Bit of a pain - but could you agree to replace it with a clerestory window ie one above eyeline - much less intrusive? You can get one with vents that allows natural light in but doesn't need to open and they won't have the same sense of being overlooked.

You're a bit stuck otherwises - yes, you had planning and buyer beware and all that, but by the same token he can obstruct the window if he wishes.

ReadersD1gest · 25/04/2023 16:47

And I've been away a lot over the last few months - partly because we've had no damn bathroom
Eh? 😵‍💫

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:47

"The window was built while elderly deceased neighbour's son still owned the house with his full knowledge and permission."

I truly don't think your DH should apologize for something that was done and approved before the neighbor even bought the house. Where would it end?

I do think you should just make nice and try to sort it out. When they come for tea, show it to him and ask if there is anything he thinks would make the situation better?

How high is the window, anyway?

RestrictiveCovenant · 25/04/2023 16:47

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DangerNoodles · 25/04/2023 16:48

@bathroomwindowargh serious question based on your second diagram - why did you buy this property???

I know, OP describes it as a 'weird' house with a tiny garden compared to the neighbours, bathroom window leading to the neighbour's garden and a soon to be neighbour dispute. It must be a seriously pretty character property otherwise it will be a bugger to sell in the future!

Wheresthebeach · 25/04/2023 16:48

So at the time the owner knew and agreed…

I think your neighbour should take it up with his solicitor as they failed to notify him. I’d still change it to an inward opening or sash window.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 16:48

YDHWBVU to buy a house that was an abattoir.😳

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 16:49

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Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 16:49

So you don’t have planing permission for the window, just planning permission for the bathroom.

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 16:49

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Lol no, she didn't love. If that were the case, problem solved right?

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:50

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 16:48

YDHWBVU to buy a house that was an abattoir.😳

Probably hundreds of years ago?

GoodChat · 25/04/2023 16:51

@StarbucksSmarterSister take your own advice. She said she wished she'd had the idea that it could be inward opening.

If it's inward opening, why can't she open it?
Clue: because it's not.

MargaretBall · 25/04/2023 16:51

My neighbours have exactly this situation - the offending window was put in ( with PP) while the other house was empty also but its at least on the driveway - still wouldn’t like it but they seem to be ok about it .
OP , look at an installing an inward or sliding window, assuming the garden wall is your house wall I would ensure that the trellis or anything else is not attached to it as that could damage your property, and stop trying to appease your neighbours as they sound a bit vindictive even if I am sympathetic to them - a tall shrub planted a little in front of the window could have resolved the issue but a shed, trellis and wood sounds like neighbours looking for a war . Onus as buyers to make themselves aware of any PP in the area .

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 16:52

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:50

Probably hundreds of years ago?

Who knows?

Whoooooooo knoooooooooows?👻🐄

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 16:53

GoodChat · 25/04/2023 16:51

@StarbucksSmarterSister take your own advice. She said she wished she'd had the idea that it could be inward opening.

If it's inward opening, why can't she open it?
Clue: because it's not.

Whoops! I read it as it had one, she didn't seem to get quoting someone else. Apologies!

GoodChat · 25/04/2023 16:53

Ha fair enough @StarbucksSmarterSister. We've all done it Grin

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:53

Wheresthebeach · 25/04/2023 16:48

So at the time the owner knew and agreed…

I think your neighbour should take it up with his solicitor as they failed to notify him. I’d still change it to an inward opening or sash window.

Absolutely agreed. And I would express menopausal anger on their behalf. "They didn't tell you!? You should sue them!!"

I don't understand how he didn't know about this window unless:
Photos online were old
or
He didn't view the property in person before buying
or
It was done after he viewed the property.
or
He's full of it.

GoodChat · 25/04/2023 16:54

Or, to be fair @AliceOlive, if he didn't walk the full length of the garden on viewing

AliceOlive · 25/04/2023 16:55

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 16:52

Who knows?

Whoooooooo knoooooooooows?👻🐄

😂

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 16:55

The window was built while elderly deceased neighbour's son still owned the house with his full knowledge and permission.

So current NDN bought it knowing the window was there? So why is he making a fuss now?

Marcinon · 25/04/2023 16:56

So if the neighbour decides that is where he wants an extra patio or veggie patch there, would you both always be okay with others hearing you use bathroom? What if neighbour has thoughts of a shed there, does he have to think I can’t place it exactly where I want it because you won’t be able to open your window? Off putting for anyone buying that house too.

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