Diane Abbott

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To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

FFS.

It was deeply offensive and not just antisemitism at the heart of her post. Young Diane isn’t great at history; the Irish people were the first slaves ever sold; about 30,000 of them to British Colonies including Jamaica. They were known as Indentured servants rather than slaves. How dare she suggest Jewish or Irish people experienced something other than racism.

Glad she's gone. Vile creature.

And she is right although, ironically, that is where the idea of unconscious bias comes from which is something that Birbalsingh has argued is impossible to deal with and been very much against training and awareness. So let's not give her credit for being much of a thought leader on that issues.

So she's saying the most persecuted group of people in history can't possibly experience prejudice? The woman is yet again showing there is nothing between her ears beyond thin air.

Not bad enough for you? Yet you object to the use of a centuries old parliamentary phrase. MN never ceases to amaze me.

Hopefully someone will persuade her to step down before the next GE now.

That sounds like Dominic Raab and his “low bar” for bullying. Some racism is above the bar and some below?

I just read what she wrote. I probably don’t agree with her, but I’ve no problem with free speech.

“They undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable….but they are not all their lives subject to racism.”

Again, not sure I agree with that, but I don’t see it as inflammatory/massively offensive - day to day in the UK, I expect black and Asian people are more likely to experience certain common forms of racism (ie being subjected to remarks or being treated differently) than are Jewish people, as the aforementioned groups are simply more visibly different from the white majority population. What she said was probably clumsily worded, and is probably a comment that didn’t even need to be opened, but it’s hardly the massive racist faux pas it’s being painted as.

Who are the most persecuted group pf people in history?

Have you ever spent a day walking around London as a white Jewish man wearing a kippah (skullcap). I'm not even talking about wearing ultra orthodox clothing.

No? Thought not.

Not just generations, centuries.

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So she's saying the most persecuted group of people in history can't possibly experience prejudice? The woman is yet again showing there is nothing between her ears beyond thin air.

Her article was clumsy (as she’s since herself admitted), but I think the article actually said Jewish people experience prejudice in literally the first sentence. I’d probably not bother commenting if you can’t read/analyse stuff for yourself…

To answer your question, Yes I do,she cannot hide behind her own ethnicity to make racist remarks about others. As a side question, why Black and white in the post, ie the capilatisation of one and not the other? Are you implying that one's more important than the other?

What's wrong with how they used the word "whip". I re-read it in case I missed something but it just looks factual to me. What have I missed?

I see that my post was deleted for noting who voted for Diane Abbott. Interesting.

Nonsense, there was nothing clumsy about it. She knows exactly what she's doing - she might come across as stupid but she's not - because it's the opinion of many in the circles she moves about in.

Racism is prejudice is it not? It's being persecuted on the grounds of race. You cannot say a person can have experienced prejudice as a result of an ethnic marker and yet not experienced racism, the two statements don't make sense.

@phoenixrosehere what is inappropriate about Sky news using the word ‘whip’?
Do you not know what that means in this context?

Just glad we've got the Conservatives here to protect the traveller community what would they do without them?

And yet she's had the whip withdrawn immediately, therefore is demonstrably not representative of the party.

Baffled that people think the Conservatives and Labour are comparable in this respect.

She disagrees that it is racism though, and goes on to compare it to the plight of the red heads.

Jews have long been discriminated against because of their ethnicity (see the Holocaust), not just because of their faith.

Just to add my two penn'orth. If you think there isn't casual racism on a daily basis towards Jews, Romani or Irish just consider some of the stereotypes that are in the media. People who think all Jews are rich, all Romani steal and all Irish people are thick. I bet we could all supply others if we put our heads together. I don't know what Diane Abbot was thinking of, but she really did not think any of this through and is woefully ignorant at best.
To be clear, I am not saying I believe any of the above statements and for reference my late husband was Romani.

I've never been able to see how she got her position on merit.

Since when is Diane Abbott a member of the Conservative party?

She’s a bloody idiot Corbynite - good riddance. She’s never heard of the Holocaust or vast security around Jewish schools and synagogues then.