Diane Abbott

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To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

Weird isn't? Safe seat, high number of British Jews voting for her among others or are her voters also "thick" ? all 40,000 of them? over 33k more than the 2nd placed candidate got.... she must be a very good MP for such support.

She gets over half of all abuse directed at MPs of all parties, which you are just adding too.

BUT i'm pleased she has had the whip suspended and that she may well be kicked out of the 'party, what she wrote is indefensible.

What i don't like is that the high standards so many on here hold the Labour party too, do not apply to the Tory party.

She isn’t lucky she’s in a safe seat, that seat is safe because she made it so. She doubled the majority in 2010 on an increased turn out. A lot of that majority is based on personal loyalty as she seems to be an excellent constituency MP.

What she wrote was appalling and she deserves to lose the whip but it’s wrong not to recognise her achievements, one of which is to be the first black woman to be elected as an MP.

Irish children had to learn in secret behind hedges as the 'thick irish' were outlawed education by the visiting British - in Ireland the country the Irish owned and lived.

Some seats are safe, whatever the strengths/weaknesses of the MP.

My seat swings like a pendulum so you can never get of the darn canvassers!

The film 'in the name of the Father' covers this with high quality acting.

What part of she doubled her majority in 2010 is so difficult to understand?

I said at the beginning of this thread that I experienced racism from the English and Irish.

I noted Katherine Birbalsingh say everyone is a little racist.

The Irish have a British patron Saint they took as a slave.

The Irish started off minding their own business in their own country, eventually due to genocide and poverty like others they began to travel.

Currently those in Ireland who never moved away - don't like legal immigration, they may be traumatised from historical illegal immigration or just not like other culturesanf want to prrserve their own. It's interesting to watch and think about.

Maybe humans just don't like others coming into their country trying to change the culture and in some cases thieving things, land etc?

As has been said in the 1960s when my parents came here they were treated badly. The thing is my Irish imigant Dad is a sharp elbowed Irish supremacist who looked down on his host country, he wanted the Irish culture in England and had no respect for his host country he just wanted to exploit their resources as they had the Irish.

I have spoken to other second generations from other countries who told me the same about their first generation immigrant parents. Maybe it was just a coincidence.

That's why I think Katherine is correct.

Weird isn't? Safe seat, high number of British Jews voting for her among others or are her voters also "thick" ? all 40,000 of them? over 33k more than the 2nd placed candidate got....

Yes lots of people voted for her. I bet they wouldn’t again, not after this.

I bet they would.

I'm always astonished that anyone would vote for Jacob Rees-Mogg, but clearly people do.

I can't be arsed to care about it. MPs have said and written worse things. Abbott is thick, we knew this.

Ffs, she’s not “thick”. She’s got a degree from Cambridge. Where’s yours from @BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers?

Agree but he only has a majority of 14.5k - DA's is more than twice that!

Having a degree from anywhere doesn't prove commonsense or emotional intelligence or empathy. I suspect that she lacks more than one of those. I know plenty of people with degrees and professional qualifications of various types who lack one or more of those qualities. Sometimes it doesn't matter, but in public life I think it does.

The colonisation of women is similar and I can see why Stonewall say it's the same as racism. You have Kirstie Allsop types like Labour who are well to do telling women to 'be kind' and you have lesbians saying hang on we don't want our culture changed, we want biological women only we don't want to take these male lebians in, in every way you can and you are our charity who are supposed to put our needs first as lesbians who founded you with resources to represent us.

I wasn't around in the 1960s to know what way my Dad was behaving, my whole life he has been an arsehole and if English people came across him without understanding context or understanding context, I am not surprised they were not liking the Irish.

Maybe those in the 1960s were behaving as the equivalent at the time , how current Albanins are - who take up is it half of the UK prison space? Maybe at the time to 1960s English there were lots refusing to accept English culture and pissing people off walking around as my Narcissistic Dad does as if the English as beneath him and there to be exploited, as he exploited me. You have to also think what type of person will leave their life in their home country to start a new one in anothercountry, yes poverty or climate change, also there will be many as in my Dad's case he ran out of people at home to exploit so he needed to move to a big city to find a steady strem.

Another thing about sharp elbowed first generation immigrants they don't have the capability or spend any time considering the impact of their decisions on the second generation offspring who get called 'plastic paddy' feel that they don't belong anywhere, they become homeless, as in my case the English didn't see me as being one of them and the Irish didn't see me as being one of them, both telling me to go home, where, in the middle of the Irish sea?

Absolutely excellent post!

In a completely genuine way, what are you talking about? I don’t understand your post at all. Are you saying Irish immigrants shouldn’t have moved to England because it made their kids feel culturally homeless?

You can be both intellectually intelligent and also remarkably stupid.

While DA may be oxbridge she rarely has knowledge of government statistics, which is actually her JOB!

She comes out with the most hideous "misremembered" numbers when asked. When announcing a Labour policy on policing and crime she had no idea of the costs and "guessed" a number which was first 3000 times too low, then when questioned came in with a number that would be around a 10th of the actual cost.

This is not the first time she has come out with racist tropes.... She has form for being anti-Semitic. She has no business being in politics.

I was told that I don't belong in either country.

The Irish even have named this as being a plastic Paddy if you appreciate any of the culture whilst being born or living abroad to Irish parents.

In my case I would have preferred to not be born at all to my Dad, he was an arsehole and I can see why the English who came across him didn't then like Irish people afterwards.

I don't have much time for Abbott. She's obviously not thick and yet, when I used to watch her on This Week, she just used to parrot newspaper articles. I recognised them. She couldn't seem to rationalise her opinions, basically because she'd read them and they were someone else's. I'm putting her plentiful gaffes down to being under pressure. And ignoring her hypocrisy over private schooling.
However, she's acknowledged that what she said was wrong and has given an abject apology. I don't see why that can't be accepted nor do I understand why the whip has been withdrawn whilst they investigate. Investigate what? She sent a letter which she later apologised for. It looks to me like gesture politics.

Yes, I remember the policing figures debacle. I heard it on the radio. I had some sympathy because I’m pretty innumerate too and she was quite obviously not briefed properly. Her media team really let her down.

All I ask is that people stop calling her “thick” because she’s patently not. I agree that it would be sensible for her to step down now, Corbyn too. Both have had their day and I’m not particularly happy to have wealthy pensioners in the Commons.

Again as i said earlier in this thread - at the time of the 'mis-remembered statistics' she was physically unwell - she said that she was suffering with poorly controlled DM during that period

Arguably she wasn't well enough to be working as a gov minister/MP and should have retired

I understand that her health is much improved now so maybe she was right to stick it out IDK

I guess what I am saying is if someone is willing to give up their whole life in their country of origin there will be many reasons and one will be that they are personality disordered so exploitative and as they are feckless towards the outcome of the second generation with their life choices, they will be towards the reputation of the nation they left and the nation they move to.

So my advice to my children who are majority English has been to not pander too much, to treat others decently, understand the context as to why people are the way that they are then I point to my Dad and remind them a proportion of imigrants will be like him a supremacist of his home nation so don't let them manipulate you. You are entitled to your English culture.

For those talking about what David Baddiel is tweeting - he is an absolute knob. He thinks he's Mr Serious now but happy to mock black people when it was to gain a cheap laugh. I'm old enough to remember his "comedy".

Diane Abbott may not have phrased it diplomatically enough for the mumsnet pearl clutchers but she is right. Black people face racism walking down the street minding their own business - it has happened to me - this does not happen to white people. I am not saying Jewish, Roma or Travellers do not face racism but not as soon they appear in a room.

And for those saying Jewish people are always asked for their stance on Palestine, Muslim people are always expected to condemn Islamist views.

The amount if vitriol/hate/ insults levied at Diane Abbott is off the scale. And some if the comments on this thread are disgusting