Steve Barclay taking legal action against nurses

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Reasonable or unreasonable?

my opinion is Steve Barclay is utter human garbage

my opinion is Steve Barclay is utter human garbage

What a disgusting thing to say.

I don't think any health minister Conservative or Labour would sit back and do nothing if they had been alerted to strikes potentially being illegal and asked on record to intervene.

I just think more attention should be turned to NHS employers who have requested legal action. i bet none of them are on a nurses salary

https://www.nhsemployers.org/

@Sarahconnor1 perfectly fine for an employing body to verify the legality of strike action. Do you have any clue of the impact of strikes on hospitals? Nurses don’t want to impact their colleagues or their patients but they (quite rightly) need to to get the government to take notice. But the impact is far, far bigger on healthcare employers than, say, train operators or schools who can just shrug their shoulders and say ‘sorry we’re not running’

So there is nothing inherently wrong with the challenge.

Because these were the only dates where there was time to give two weeks notice and before the mandate to strike runs out.

Do you have any clue of the impact of strikes on hospitals?

Yep. I have paramedics nurses and radiographers in the family. I haven't said there is anything wrong with the challenge, though im suprised there isnt already a legal ruling on this point. I think the optics of very well paid managers forcing the legal action is awful

Unreasonable in the main because of the Health Secretary setting conditions for discussions, instead of getting around the table.

Should be five years really.

Wow.

Im fairly on the fence in terms of the strikes but FFS this is shitting all over basic liberties.

All this will do is thoroughly piss off NHS staff to the point where they will re ballot and probably get mandates in more areas of the country so more will be walking out at a time, not to mention more staff just thinking stuff this and calling in sick! They are clearly not happy with the governments offer or they would not have rejected against the unions advice. SB needs to get off his high horse and start talking properly. As a pp said nurses are too valuable to be allowed to withdraw their labour but not valuable enough to pay a proper wage or look after for working conditions

I think the question is around whether the entire day counts or it only counts up to the time the mandate was declared- AFAIK there hasn't ever been a challenge to this before so it'll be interesting what the courts say if it goes that far. Can see why both sides believe they are correct and it isn't clear which one is really.

I agree nurses (and other HCPs) should be better paid, personally I don't think they will whilst bundled up with AfC, as much as admin and corporate staff deserve and should get a raise nurses won't be able to fully leverage the shortages and their importance whilst tied in. Of course people can leave and they are in huge numbers, if they can find work that pays the similar then they'd be silly not to if they're unhappy. Of course its a shame and the gov should be listening and acting accordingly, but as they aren't workers need to choose what's best for them.

The only thing disgusting about that is that it's not strongly worded enough.

Quite

Not quite sure why that is a surprise to anyone. They came for the socialists. Now they are coming for the trade unionists.

We know where this ends.

It's to do with giving strike action notice and level of remaining cover (where necessary) to employers and other affected parties.

The new strike may be outwith the orginal notice dates and as the RCN are ramping up the number going on strike, and withdrawing emergency cover, they may be doing it illegally.

Interesting to see the results of accept or reject by the other unions deadline April 28th if more accept like unison will majority win and pay rise get accepted?

They just need to offer them more money 😔

I agree AfC has created a significant problem for nurses and all other clinical staff that are covered by it

Apparently the RCN have stated it is fully legal, and are happy to be challenged in the high court, they are citing similarities to a miners strike where they were able to strike until midnight on the final day of the strike mandate.
It would be better if they spoke to the RCN rather than pressing for legal action, I completely get that a strike needs to be undertaken legally but the optics don't look good but, I guess the conservatives don't really care. By the time the Tories are out of power I dread to think what state the NHS will be in.

I am an NHS nurse and it's devastating to see what is happening, I stay as I feel a duty to, if we all leave who will care for us? Staff are leaving in droves which means inexperienced staff left and then promoted to higher positions as no one else left. It is honestly like fire fighting on a daily basis but now without any water.😢

And this is why we're leaving :)
16 years in and the best not only our Health Sec but also our apparent leaders can do is threaten legal action.
8 years in emergency medicine. I deal with our most vulnerable. You know the people who you hear about in the news, on social media, on the radio? But I'm not worth a pay rise, I'm worth spending ££££ on legal action.
My caseload that should be capped at 40-45 groaning under the weight of 100-120. But I'm not worth a pay rise.
Leaders in my organisation recently approved a change of budget use so instead of getting a new colleague to share my load I'm getting a new kitchen (that I'll never feckin see because I don't get time to take breaks!!).
I'm sorry to those of you who have been affected, I genuinely am. But every single week I have adverse incident forms that show people are being seriously harmed when we're not on strike because frankly we are drowning.
Instead of more of me to stop incidents happening my trust has just bulked up their legal department to keep the dogs at bay with inquests and compensation after they've happened.
What I have been offered is more admin (band 2 and 3) and some nursing associates. None of them can take clinical responsibility. The admin I've been offered are either a) incredibly young with limited life experience (frankly, asking them to pull the information for some of my reports I'm likely to send them straight to the nearest psych unit) or b) see this as a stepping stone to something cooler and better paid. I don't have time to give quality training to an NA so I have rejected that offer simply because it would be unfair on them.
By this time next year I'll have finished my new qualification and 12 months on the 1st of May I will be handing in my notice for my new job. By which time 17 years NHS emergency and acute experience walks out of the door never to return. But it's okay, because our leaders and Health Sec want to be sure the ballot has been done properly.
I'll put on my tin hat now for those who think we're greedy/selfish/inhumane and every other insult I've had thrown, spat, punched and kicked at me especially in the last three years. The opinions of a number of the general public are far from blameless in pushing me towards that decision to leave. I don't expect this to be any different.
For those of you who do support us from the bottom of my heart I thank you and I'm sorry I haven't been able to do or be enough for you. I promise you I, and all of the colleagues I work with, have tried. We really have. You just reach a point where you have to choose and I chose my family and life over my job.

Two protestors who climbed on a road gantry were yesterday jailed for their "crimes", it was a peaceful protest.

TBH i don't really see there is a great deal of difference between what we are doing in the UK, than what the Chinese have done in HK to close down protest, the UK is now effectively banning strikes, either through court action or in soon to be, new laws.
Braverman is seeking to have legislation in place to ignore international courts too.

Fuck off Steve barely

Fuck off tories

Fuck off nhs senior management

The idea that the Tories support the right to strike is comical. They’ve been eroding employee rights and the right to strike since they’ve been in power.

There are other ways he could stop the strike. Like getting round the table.

Sounds like the RCN have cocked up! Fair enough to strike but they shouldn’t be asking their nurses to strike illegally

And this is what the public need to wake up to! One day it might be them needing to take industrial action. This Government are all about restricting the unions, indeed trying to follow Thatcher’s lead in “taking them on”.
The whole Country needs to tell the Government to fuck off with this shit. I’m confident Pat Cullen of the RCN will hold her nerve.