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To be annoyed at kid’s new school hounding me when they’re ill

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MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 17:34

We recently moved and so DC are attending a new school. First day was supposed to be Monday.

On Sunday they tested positive for COVID. I had it earlier in the week and really suffered.
I tested them as they were coughing, had a high fever and even D&V.

I rang on Monday morning to say they’d be missing the first day. They said they don’t recommended children are tested but said “You’ve done it now though”. I said well I still very much test for COVID because whilst none of us are vulnerable, other people may be and it’s them I’m protecting.

anyway it’s now Thursday and as requested I rang every day and updated them. But really it’s just ‘they’re still I’ll and have COVID’.

They’ve run me back every single day to discuss ’an update on the kids’. I just repeat myself from what I leave on the voicemail.

Yesterday I was on a train (I’m now negative and have been for some time) and they heard the announcement and asked where I was. When I said was on a train they asked if I’d left my kids on their own!! I said “no they’re 6 and 9!” And they asked who was watching them - their dad!!!

Today I emailed to say I have back to back meetings so can’t call but the kids remain to be ill (DH was on a plane at this point). Again they called me, which I missed. So I found a window to call them back and they again were strange and said “They have been ill for so so long now” (5 days!) asking when it started etc.

Im starting to get pissed off. I’m thinking of pulling them out and enrolling them in another school which we were also offered and according to the receptionist still have places.

AIBU to be annoyed at their persistence? Would they rather I sent sick COVID-infected kids into school? In their old school they were great and just said “We will see them when they’re better, keep us updated”.

OP posts:
EarringsandLipstick · 20/04/2023 21:22

And breathe! X

That's so patronising ...,

EarlGreywithLemon · 20/04/2023 21:24

Oysterbabe · 20/04/2023 18:23

5 days is a really long time for children to be off sick. Have they seen a doctor if they are suffering so badly? Most children feel mildly ill for about 1 day.

That wasn’t my experience when my two had Covid! My 3 year old still had a temperature of 39+ four days in, it only subsided on the fifth day. She and her brother also both had rampant diarrhoea, coughs and conjunctivitis.

EarlGreywithLemon · 20/04/2023 21:25

And yes, I did ring the GP, who didn’t find this in any way unusual.

Businessflake · 20/04/2023 21:26

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 18:33

It’s an urgent safeguarding issue when a child is sick and kept off? Really?

It’s a safe guarding issue when a child is absent from school for a number of days and the parent is being rude and defensive. Particularly when they don’t know you or the children.

Sounds like a great school that takes child safety seriously.

Hiddenvoice · 20/04/2023 21:26

Op they are checking in due to safeguarding, I know it’s annoying and you feel you’re being questioned but they don’t know you. They aren’t lumping you in with ‘those parents’ they just don’t know you and are making sure the story doesn’t change by following up phone calls. They will also know this is a really tricky time with two sick children so when you say you’re working they just want tk know the children are well looked after and if you needed help then they would put you in contact with people who can support you.

I know it’s been a lot for you this week and you must be tired after working and caring for two unwell children. Hopefully in time you will see thag the school doing this is actually really great, they are protecting children and making sure no one falls between the cracks. They aren’t judging you, it’s just very unusual for two children to miss their first week in a new school. If they had previously attended this school then you may not have had as many phone calls. If you decide to pull the children from this school and transfer to another school, then this current school may send notes to say that children never attended and are concerned.

I know it’s hard but try not take it personally, they are just following the safe guarding policy.

babyproblems · 20/04/2023 21:26

This is wierd and intrusive and I’d have stopped replying by now and insisted they communicate by Email only. Who do they think they are. If an employer did this it would be absolutely harassment! Also does their secretary not have enough to do?? I’d deffo be considering the other school. Sod that every time they’re ill. They’re not safeguarding here they’re harassing - not like they know you already and you’ve had 4 years of problems with social services at the school etc etc, they’re just being very rude and intrusive and they’ve got zero authority to police your life. Hope they feel better soon! X

Qilin · 20/04/2023 21:27

Greentree1 · 20/04/2023 21:09

You should just have said they are sick. Covid is often very mild now and not worth staying off school for. But if they are actually ill for whatever reason fair enough.

And you know exactly how every single person who has had covid recently has felt with it then?

My dd had it for the first time we thing. She is a healthy 21y. Felt really poorly, similar feelings to having a heavy flu bug. Ended up with a couple of days in bed, felt rubbish for a few days after, I had it not long after - felt rubbish for nearly a week. Was not as bad as first time I had it ore vaccine but worse than when I had it the year before this dose. Was off work for a week and felt very lethargic and washed out for days after. Dh probably had it (he didn't test) and was poorly over the weekend and then really tired and achy for a few days after.

Couple of colleagues have had it recently and all felt really washed out with it and needed time off work. All vaccinated.
Friend of friend had it recently, unvaccinated, and was really poorly. His eldest was pretty poorly too but the youngest and his wife were both fine with it.

It seems to me like it's still hitting some people hard, and some people more mildly.

Mildred007 · 20/04/2023 21:28

FWIW OP I completely get where you're coming from and would feel the same way. Like you've already said multiple times you can see the safe guarding aspect but YANBU to be annoyed by it. I would also keep my children home from school, covid or not, they're poorly.
I don't get all the pile on and I completely understood all of your posts, DH plane included 🙃

Pushmepullu · 20/04/2023 21:28

For the working mother of two ill children you have an awful amount of time on your hands to be able to reply to so many posters.

CouldBeOuting · 20/04/2023 21:30

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 18:00

Why would I lie about them being ill?

I had terrible school attendance. My mother would ring and say I was ill. what that usually meant was that that time the bruises weren’t covered by my uniform.

I deal with school attendance now and wish the staff at my schools had received the sort of training we get now…….

The school honestly has the interests of the children as their main objective. If you bar them from seeing the children if they visit the home then it COULD result in a social welfare check. Think about the outcry when an abused child dies and all the “why didn’t the school do anything?” type headlines……. We always have to consider (not assume but consider) the worst case scenario.

TheDailyCarbunkle · 20/04/2023 21:30

Pushmepullu · 20/04/2023 21:28

For the working mother of two ill children you have an awful amount of time on your hands to be able to reply to so many posters.

This is a hilarious response. It comes across so snarky and judgemental while also meaning absolutely nothing. Are you implying that the OP is lying about having children? Or working? Or what?

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:30

LazyLeopard · 20/04/2023 19:21

How much money are you spending on tests if you’re testing multiple people on multiple days?! misses the point

😂 multipack boxes cost about £1 per test

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CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/04/2023 21:32

Oh dear me, OP. You should be pleased that you have picked a great school that knows exactly what it's doing regarding safeguarding children. This isn't your usual attendance situation of kids and families that the school knows well, where the child is off sick. These are NEW children at a new school where the family background isn't known. I am school admin. I HAVE to "hound" parents if their child arriving partway through the year does not turn up for their first day at our school. The old school rings us to check they have arrived at school for their first day because until they arrive with us the child remains the responsibility of the old school. I then have to tell them no, the child hasn't been seen. The child HAS to remain on the roll of their previous school until they have arrived AND ATTENDED our school. If a few days go by the local authority has to be informed as the child is classed as a child missing education. There is a particular form that has to be filled in for my LA.

It may seem OTT to you but I can assure you that these onerous and time-consuming procedures have only come about because of various safeguarding cases where children at risk of harm have slipped through the net and been put at risk because of multiple school moves. If you know your child has COVID and has been hit hard by it you have nothing to worry about. Just have a good old chat to the school staff who ring you about what a nuisance COVID is still being. THey are absolutely right in informing you that no routine testing for COVID for children is recommended anymore. In reality, there will be many children attending school with v mild COVID symptoms whose parents have no idea that their child is positive because there is no routine testing. If they happen to test them out of curiosity (or because they have vulnerable family members maybe) and they are positive, even then they are just advised to try and avoid contauct with other people for 3 days. They can come into school if they feel well enough after that but in my experience, most parents are no longer testing their children and there WILL be COVID around in schools, just like there are other respiratory infections around in schools. And daily life goes on.

Please don't pull your child out of school. The school sounds superb and although it maybe doesn't feel like this right now as you are feeling a bit got at, you are lucky to have such on the ball staff who really care about their pupils. The reason their old school would have just said "we'll see them when they get better" is because they know you as a family. You are not known to the new school. Anything could be going on. The school has a statutory duty to ensure that it is just COVID so try and work with them on this. Build that relationship with them and please try to be less defensive. They are looking out for your child (and doing a great job of it) and that can only be a good thing.

If you changed now in a strop to another school they would probably behave similarly. They don't know you, they don't know your child. THey would have to do the same checks.

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:32

Dodgeitornot · 20/04/2023 19:24

If they're genuinely ill you keep them home. If they have the remnants of an illness or are fine except from sore throat or slight cough, than you are being extremely unreasonable to keep them home. There's no expectation to test or stay home when positive. I don't know why you think you're keeping people safe by keeping your 2 kids home when the rest of the country is out and about regardless if they're positive or negative.
You're being that parent.

That parent who keeps a sick child off?

its weird because MN is up in arms when their kids their kids catch an illness off a sick child. But also keeping sick children off is a red flag?

OP posts:
MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:33

Ionlydrinkondaysendinginy · 20/04/2023 19:24

If you send them to a different school you will get social services at the door. I know its annoying but they are doing their job are you telling them they have covid or specifically saying they have d&v and high temps

Pretty sure social services are too busy to see children who change schools and show up

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CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/04/2023 21:33

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 20/04/2023 17:45

Sounds like quite a few English schools. I guess in an area where there are plenty of available school places they are extra aware of ofsted inspections who will look at what they are doing about attendance.

What are you talking about? ANY decent school, oversubscribed or not, in an area with available school places or not, due for an Ofsted or not, will be on the ball about attendance.

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:34

Houseplantmad · 20/04/2023 19:28

Why haven't you emailed them each morning or reported it on the app they use for attendance? That way you wouldn't be getting any calls. Schools understand if parents are proactive but by not letting them know each day, you're making them extra cautious, as they should be.

I have rang them each morning and left a voicemail, or emailed. I have said this in my OP.

There is no app that I’m aware of.

OP posts:
MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:36

itsjustnotok · 20/04/2023 19:34

A lot can happen to a kid in a week and this is a child they haven’t even laid eyes on. You are taking it too personally.

They have laid eyes on them

OP posts:
ImNotAsThinkAsYouDrunkIAm · 20/04/2023 21:36

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/04/2023 21:32

Oh dear me, OP. You should be pleased that you have picked a great school that knows exactly what it's doing regarding safeguarding children. This isn't your usual attendance situation of kids and families that the school knows well, where the child is off sick. These are NEW children at a new school where the family background isn't known. I am school admin. I HAVE to "hound" parents if their child arriving partway through the year does not turn up for their first day at our school. The old school rings us to check they have arrived at school for their first day because until they arrive with us the child remains the responsibility of the old school. I then have to tell them no, the child hasn't been seen. The child HAS to remain on the roll of their previous school until they have arrived AND ATTENDED our school. If a few days go by the local authority has to be informed as the child is classed as a child missing education. There is a particular form that has to be filled in for my LA.

It may seem OTT to you but I can assure you that these onerous and time-consuming procedures have only come about because of various safeguarding cases where children at risk of harm have slipped through the net and been put at risk because of multiple school moves. If you know your child has COVID and has been hit hard by it you have nothing to worry about. Just have a good old chat to the school staff who ring you about what a nuisance COVID is still being. THey are absolutely right in informing you that no routine testing for COVID for children is recommended anymore. In reality, there will be many children attending school with v mild COVID symptoms whose parents have no idea that their child is positive because there is no routine testing. If they happen to test them out of curiosity (or because they have vulnerable family members maybe) and they are positive, even then they are just advised to try and avoid contauct with other people for 3 days. They can come into school if they feel well enough after that but in my experience, most parents are no longer testing their children and there WILL be COVID around in schools, just like there are other respiratory infections around in schools. And daily life goes on.

Please don't pull your child out of school. The school sounds superb and although it maybe doesn't feel like this right now as you are feeling a bit got at, you are lucky to have such on the ball staff who really care about their pupils. The reason their old school would have just said "we'll see them when they get better" is because they know you as a family. You are not known to the new school. Anything could be going on. The school has a statutory duty to ensure that it is just COVID so try and work with them on this. Build that relationship with them and please try to be less defensive. They are looking out for your child (and doing a great job of it) and that can only be a good thing.

If you changed now in a strop to another school they would probably behave similarly. They don't know you, they don't know your child. THey would have to do the same checks.

I wish we could pin this to the top of the thread :)

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:38

AlltheFs · 20/04/2023 20:27

I’ve just spent another day in Safeguarding training- I’m a Safeguarding lead.
This has safeguarding red flags all over it and they are doing their job properly.

It’s unfortunate circumstances but they are doing everything right here.

What red flags?

My children are sick.

Ive called up every day to say they’re still sick.

Where’s the red flag?

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 20/04/2023 21:39

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:38

What red flags?

My children are sick.

Ive called up every day to say they’re still sick.

Where’s the red flag?

Your children left their old school and haven’t appeared at the new one.

That’s the red flag.

As uncomfortable and annoying as that is for you it is a red flag.

TheDailyCarbunkle · 20/04/2023 21:40

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:38

What red flags?

My children are sick.

Ive called up every day to say they’re still sick.

Where’s the red flag?

Are you seriously not getting it? There are 12 pages of posts explaining it to you. What are you not understanding?

EarringsandLipstick · 20/04/2023 21:40

Pushmepullu · 20/04/2023 21:28

For the working mother of two ill children you have an awful amount of time on your hands to be able to reply to so many posters.

Really?? That's your contribution to this.

Why do people post such snide comments?

MytosisIs · 20/04/2023 21:41

Itstarts · 20/04/2023 20:36

Except an email doesn't guarantee the children are where mum says they are. By ringing, you are not just double checking the story, you're hoping to hear children in the background, check parents are well, check parents mood, pick up on millions of subtleties that you can't from an email.

This is a concern. Both children have been absent 100% of their time. A child that has been to school for a while and is off for a week ill would not receive the same check ups because the pattern of attendance would be well established.

Well they will have heard my work colleagues and my slightly irritated tone after being disturbed at work yet again to yet again repeat myself from what I said that morning

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 20/04/2023 21:41

Yes I can understand the school being concerned. They haven’t turned up. Plus a week off for both kids is unusual.

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