I don't believe we've been to the moon and SpaceXs failure further convinces me.

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I know I've posted this before and the majority of you think I'm batty, but I don't think we've landed on the moon.

3 billion USD, a giant leap in technological advances and yet it can't even launch.

They can and could still go to the moon, they just had other ‘space’ priorities once they’d learned how to do it. Space stuff is quite expensive so once they’d proved it could be done they moved on to something else. Today’s launch was a success in terms of getting the new technology off the ground, they weren’t convinced that would actually work.

I think it does matter.
If you are going to pick and choose facts based on a whim, rather than scientific evidence, then we go down the rabbit of vaccines are poisonous, the government are trying to kill us with chemtrails, cancer drugs make cancer worse, etc etc.

I understand what you're saying and I've thought about this a few times. Im not saying that i dont believe it happened, but just that i have an open mind about it. The moon landing was in 69, and I just find it very difficult to think of a solid, valid reason why we (as a species) have never done it again. I can obviously think of many reasons, but with the huge advances in technology I really would have thought someone would have succeeded since the 60's.

The very notion that the many thousands of people involved have all kept such a massive secret is more unbelievable.

One of the reasons we haven't been back to the moon is that nasa were crap with knowledge exchange within the organization. Their key engineers retired and they literally lost decades of knowledge. The younger engineers had no idea how the older tech worked or how to replicate it with newer tech. On paper, it sounds like a simple problem to solve but it scuppered their progress.

not when you use alien technology to erase their memory.....

YABU. I know for a fact that Wallace and Gromit went there to get cheese in a home made rocket. I've seen a film of it.

But the failure is part of the point of the way SpaceX works - it's 'work fast and break things'. Rather than spending 20 years ensuring there are no possible errors, Musk's idea is to just throw money at it and do it and iterate and then maybe you'll have the answer in fewer than 20 years.

NASA works very differently. And the Soviet space project was different again - a lot of people died testing out Soviet space exploration pre 1970s, as they were willing to have people die to beat the US, which was not the case vice versa, but of course they covered that bit up.

what a piss poor piece of "critical thinking" - could be why everyone laughs that particular qualification out of any job applications.

Never heard of any of the content of it before, but I know it is ridiculed, now I understand a bit better why

Unless the "critical thinking" you were supposedly considering was " why do people believe in things that are blatantly obviously untrue"? Maybe? but seems to have bypassed you if that was the aim of it

I question on a par with "why do people believe in the loch ness monster"?

The difference in distance isn't really relevant. The majority of the distance was covered at great speed with minimal rocket force being needed due to space being a vacuum and them being beyond the gravitational pull of the Earth and Moon. For the most part, all they needed to get there was enough air food and water which was easy to take. Due to the lesser gravity on the moon they didn't need such powerful rockets to land or take off. People died - the three aboard Apollo 1 - and there were near misses (Apollo 13).

interesting - where did they die?

ongoing question, the title of first person to die in space has yet to be claimed.... although there was a soviet era launch that is rumoured to have returned with one less than it took off with. - never been confirmed or denied

I was about to say the same, @Nimbostratus100 . Hardly "critical thinking" 😊

I don't think so. They moved onto projects like the space shuttle, Skylab and the ISS. Now they are doing the Ares project.

I don't think there has ever been a significant time when the US hasn't been developing rockets or spacecraft of some type. And the technical expertise required to land robot spacecraft on Mars is much greater than that required in the moon landings, see 7 minutes of terror or whatever on the Curiosity rover landing.

I think they gave up for 4 reasons. i) they proved their point in the willy waving contest with the USSR. ii) It was expensive iii) it was bloody risky iv) there wasn't really very much interesting stuff there to make it worth going.

It's weird....Musk's heavy lift blows up and it's "see, we can't have been to the moon".....but nothing from the same people about the SLS/Artemis mission a few month's back....looks like an inconvenient truth ignored..

I don’t think we have either. The “computers” at work when I started in 1985 were metal and dummy terminals. How on earth did we land on the Moon sixteen years before and have never since.

The pictures are as believable as the Clangers living on the moon. Which incidentally started being broadcast in 1969.

This pod cast with Tim Peake is well worth a listen, among other things he talks about the risk management of missions today etc

https://drchatterjee.com/life-lessons-from-an-astronaut-with-tim-peake/

I heard that hamsters are on a moon mission and guinea pigs are sending satalites to Saturn, for me that is true until proven otherwise. 😁

yes you can. There are Chinese robots on the surface of the moon right now, and clearly visible. YOu cant do secret things on the moon, every government in the world sees you arrive and sees what you do

The reasons are simple - it costs a lot and there hasn't been a political will. There's fuck all of interest on the moon (no valuable minerals etc) so going there just for the sake of it is (correctly) hard to justify beyond the willy-waving of getting there first.

We probably can launch and do and achieve a lot more.
Personally I suspect either sabotage, or the original launch went as planned and the "explosion" was a cover story to make it seem like the launch did not succeed.

The frightening thing is that people who don't believe in the moon landings always tend to hit out with some "fact" the think proves it. Said fact often tends to be nonsense.

You said look through a telescope, which you can't. Even Hubble isn't powerful enough to see evidence of moon landing equipment.

Exactly! The truth is the moon is boring and there is nothing to entice us back. I get that conspirators would rather there is a more exciting reason behind it such as the whole thing being fake but alas the truth is often just not exciting.

You are entitled to your wrong opinion