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I've baked my last cake

322 replies

Anycrispsleft · 20/04/2023 05:52

I live in Germany (not by choice, DH got a job here after redundancy). I have two preteen girls and I work about 45 hours a week. Averagely busy. Like I would guess most working parents, particularly mums, most my the weekend is taken up with housework, shopping, home admin etc.

We get frequent (once every 2 months or so) requests from school and the kids' hobbies to bake cakes for cake sales. I've done probably like about 50 cakes at this point. I've never liked it - I don't enjoy baking very much, or having to give up my own time, and I don't think we should anyway be asking strangers for money for things like the kids' school trips when most of the parents in our area are pretty well off (and I would happily offer to cover the costs for another child and have offered to do that in the past).

The latest request came in over Easter and we were away so I didn't see it till I was on the way home. Now I've just got a WhatsApp from the bake sale organiser telling me I have passed the deadline for replying and what cake am I supplying?

AIBU to message her back saying I don't have any time, but here's my husband's number, they can ask him for once? Or just ignore? Or supply a last minute cake? I don't want to piss them off bc the kids enjoy the hobby. I just don't want to do it! I get to Subday night every week and all I have done is work. I don't want to do any more stuff I don't need to.

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CoozudBoyuPuak · 20/04/2023 11:11

I stopped doing cakes for the school bake sales when I realised that I was putting in my time, ingredients and power to make cakes which they were then selling for less than the cost of production (assuming my time is valuable, and it is). I started just giving them money instead. It's a huge rigmarole and not a sensible use of resources. I mentioned that the cakes were priced too cheaply given the effort involved in making them and reply was that they have to be cheap otherwise they are unaffordable for the families on low incomes, so it won't change.

DappledThings · 20/04/2023 11:16

Many many cakes require stages like creaming butter and sugar together.
Sure, and I've made some. But not for a basic sponge which is the recipe linked. Didn't know that was a thing.

qazxc · 20/04/2023 11:18

Message back you won't be providing a cake. If the issue is that everyone needs to contribute to fundraising, offer a donation.

Frenchlady2023 · 20/04/2023 11:30

Does anyone really want to eat other peoples cakes anyway unless you know them really well?

Yuck

JaneFondue · 20/04/2023 11:39

Frenchlady2023 · 20/04/2023 11:30

Does anyone really want to eat other peoples cakes anyway unless you know them really well?

Yuck

Eh? Would happily eat them. Won't bake them though. Will donate.

MiniDinosaur · 20/04/2023 11:40

Missing the point of the thread, but mow I really want a piece of german apfelkuchen!

Agree with others, just reply saying you can’t contribute on this occasion, but will support the event.

DappledThings · 20/04/2023 11:41

Frenchlady2023 · 20/04/2023 11:30

Does anyone really want to eat other peoples cakes anyway unless you know them really well?

Yuck

Yes. Most people don't have the MN hang-up of assuming all homecoming I'd riddled with disease.

I've run the cake stall at the school fair. Sells out pretty quickly.

Kanaloa · 20/04/2023 11:44

starfishmummy · 20/04/2023 09:37

Most children of 7-10 years old could not access money, go to the shop, buy cake ingredients, return home, prepare the cake with complete independence, and clean the cooker, equipment, and kitchen to the standard it was before they used it, resulting in a cake of a high enough standard to be sold at a bake sale.

And they're never going to be able to do these things - be it for a cake sale or a meal - if a parent doesn't take the time to teach them to. So this is an excellent opportunity to dentist.

But in the situation, smug posters saying ‘just get the kids to do it’ isn’t an appropriate answer. OP does not have time or energy to devote to baking. The children at this time are not capable of doing it entirely independently. OP does not want to do it, and the children can’t. So ‘just get the primary school age kids to do it’ is a pointless answer.

inamarina · 20/04/2023 11:45

I would just say I don’t have the time. I wouldn’t redirect them to my husband, I personally think that would come across as somewhat passive-aggressive.
It does sound like you’ve done your fair share of baking though. How much do other parents contribute?

JudgeJ · 20/04/2023 11:48

Anycrispsleft · 20/04/2023 05:52

I live in Germany (not by choice, DH got a job here after redundancy). I have two preteen girls and I work about 45 hours a week. Averagely busy. Like I would guess most working parents, particularly mums, most my the weekend is taken up with housework, shopping, home admin etc.

We get frequent (once every 2 months or so) requests from school and the kids' hobbies to bake cakes for cake sales. I've done probably like about 50 cakes at this point. I've never liked it - I don't enjoy baking very much, or having to give up my own time, and I don't think we should anyway be asking strangers for money for things like the kids' school trips when most of the parents in our area are pretty well off (and I would happily offer to cover the costs for another child and have offered to do that in the past).

The latest request came in over Easter and we were away so I didn't see it till I was on the way home. Now I've just got a WhatsApp from the bake sale organiser telling me I have passed the deadline for replying and what cake am I supplying?

AIBU to message her back saying I don't have any time, but here's my husband's number, they can ask him for once? Or just ignore? Or supply a last minute cake? I don't want to piss them off bc the kids enjoy the hobby. I just don't want to do it! I get to Subday night every week and all I have done is work. I don't want to do any more stuff I don't need to.

Konditorei is your friend

Lougle · 20/04/2023 12:13

This really annoys me. You pay for the ingredients for cake. You spend the time making the cake. Then you're expected to also buy back cake at the event. It's easier and more efficient to just put a few pounds in the collection tin.

Anycrispsleft · 20/04/2023 12:29

I messaged her back. I felt like I was a little on the back foot, as they had sent a letter home with a slip just as some of you have described (it's for a hobby BTW, not school this time) and I had ignored it. So I said I woukd do them one, but I don't have time really to do cakes so I won't be contributing in future. I also said I would be happy to contribute a bit of cash over the annual membership if costs are rising and she said it wasn't just about the money, it was about raising the profile of the Verein! Well, whatever. I will probably do a Dutch apple cake, I know a recipe for that - I also have to bake brownies tonight for the kids for school, as they have their birthday next week and guess what it is customary to bring to school when it's your birthday?

To answer some of the questions on this very entertaining thread:

I do know that Mary Berry recipe, it is a good suggestion, I've done it a couple of times! You name it I've baked it. I also struggle with the lack of self raising flour - you need to add a mixture of baking powder and baking soda I think it is, to get to sleep raising flour.

We live in a small town in Baden, which is definitely at the more conservative end of things. If this makes any sense as an explanation, it's like nobody really lives the Kinder, Küche, Kirche lifestyle but everyone seems to feel like they're the only ones that don't. I would say here people are less direct than in e.g. Berlin, still possibly more direct than in the UK, but for example my closest German friend would have been spitting chips about that WhatsApp message demanding a cake!

Some details that people keep asking about that I should clarify: the message was to me personally, The woman has the kids' numbers too but when they were smaller all communication from the hobby went through me and it still does apparently. This is actually the first time she has organised the cake sale, usually they are a bit more low key I think (although I've always given a cake in the past so who knows?) It's their hobby, not the school: as a PP observed it is usually only 2 or 3 times a year we get asked to do a cake for school, but then it's twice a year from their 3 hobbies as well and that's like 7 or 8 a year, times the 8 years I've been here works out to about 50 odd-cakes.

The cakes round here are bowfing, and all the bakeries will be shut long before I get out of work. I would love it if we had something like M&S here or any of the UK supermarkets- I actually bought the kids' birthday cakes in the UK this year and we drove them back with us.

DH and I split the home and house work probably about 60/40 which is partly because I was a SAHM till 2 years ago and it has taken time to adjust. He's taken on a lot of the housework now but these things he will just say a flat no to and tells me to do the same. But nobody will judge him for not baking a cake! As a PP said, it's pretty much expected from all the mums and the argument will go "Why should your kids benefit from new sports equipment etc bought with our cake money if you don't contribute?" Which I do understand, but attempts to just contribute money get batted away too.

To the PP that said I sound sick of the place and doing everything for everyone: you're absolutely right. I actually posted on here about it all a couple of years ago when I was thinking about whether to go back home and retrain as a teacher. But then I managed to get a job back in my old industry at the same level I left, and I work in Switzerland and the money is about double what I would earn in the UK, which is pretty attractive, specially as the cost of living in Germany is not high at all. The company has a big UK site and I think it would not be so hard to get a move once, I have colleagues over there I know from way back, but for now I would like to stay in Germany as the kids feel at home here. I do want to carve out a bit more of a life for myself now though, particularly as the kids are getting a bit older.

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FlindersKeepers · 20/04/2023 12:54

The Lidl self-raising flour is next to the other flours and sugars, it is a range together with a German YouTube channel called Sallys Welt - it has a darker blue packaging and not the usual white for flour one.
If you are working in Switzerland, the Migros Rübelitorte (carrot cake mix) is easy and reliable.
There is a specific knack to getting cream cheese icing to work over here as out Philadelphia is a cream cheese spread. Here is the trick.
Bet you have got plenty of these bad boys eh? Most German thing ever.

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lemonchiffonpie · 20/04/2023 12:56

Maerchentante · 20/04/2023 10:12

Another Google translate fail. You'd never send "F... deinen Kuchen!", that is on the far side of rude.

Oh, darling, that was a joke.

mainsfed · 20/04/2023 13:09

Maerchentante · 20/04/2023 10:12

Another Google translate fail. You'd never send "F... deinen Kuchen!", that is on the far side of rude.

But the 'Soz' is ok?

moonspiral · 20/04/2023 13:12

ShoesoftheWorld · 20/04/2023 11:08

Hmm - depends who it is and how they say it. In a context and situation where the offer of 'du' might be seen as inappropriate in general (e.g. a much younger new joiner offers to an older, established colleague, and there is no general 'du' culture already), it wouldn't be seen as rude for the other to nicely say 'if you don't mind, I'd rather stick to 'Sie' for now'. Between more obvious 'peers', and especially when there is a 'du' culture already, it would definitely be seen as rude and making a statement of dislike.

Thank you both - very interesting

lemonchiffonpie · 20/04/2023 13:17

mainsfed · 20/04/2023 13:09

But the 'Soz' is ok?

Just to be clear, I wasn't actually suggesting she sends either of these. I didn't think that would need explaining...

SiobhanSharpe · 20/04/2023 13:26

DH used to work in a place where there was a tradition of 'cake wednesdays' once a month which all the staff, not just the women, took in turns to bring. He got into baking - I didn't get involved at all (and he definitely wouldn't ask me to) apart from suggesting a recipe occasionally if he asked.
The male staff were a bit competitive about their baking skills, no surprise there, while the women were as likely to bring in a bought cake. And good for them.
OP is well within her rights to refuse now and in future, lack time is the only reply needed, if that.

Anycrispsleft · 20/04/2023 13:28

FlindersKeepers · 20/04/2023 12:54

The Lidl self-raising flour is next to the other flours and sugars, it is a range together with a German YouTube channel called Sallys Welt - it has a darker blue packaging and not the usual white for flour one.
If you are working in Switzerland, the Migros Rübelitorte (carrot cake mix) is easy and reliable.
There is a specific knack to getting cream cheese icing to work over here as out Philadelphia is a cream cheese spread. Here is the trick.
Bet you have got plenty of these bad boys eh? Most German thing ever.

I have a full cupboard of those bad boys! I even have one that has space for coolpacks so you can store cream cakes on it.

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Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 20/04/2023 13:46

If the hobby want cake rather than money is there another parent who would be willing to make double if you provide the cash for both sets of ingredients? It would probably be another woman and would not be the same hit to the patriachy but it would solve your immediate problem and save the other person spending money on ingredients.

Katzenkuchen · 20/04/2023 13:55

Some details that people keep asking about that I should clarify: the message was to me personally, The woman has the kids' numbers too but when they were smaller all communication from the hobby went through me and it still does apparently.

If the club only has OP’s and not her DH's number, I fail to see the sexism and traditional, backward German ways some posters have immediately diagnosed here. I’m in Bavaria and know lots of dads who’ve taken parental leave and are just as engaged with the kids’ school and hobbies as the mums. My brother does all the bake sales type chores for his kids, their mum has completely opted out and nobody bats an eyelid. I think once schools or clubs have been given just one parent's (often the mum's) contact details, they tend to make that person their go-to point of contact.

"Ich werde für diese Kuchenverkauf keinen Kuchen backen”

As for levels of acceptable directness vs. rudeness in Germany, I’m going to somewhat disagree with previous posters who said the above message would be perfectly fine. I’m German and think most people in my circle would find that message quite rude. Sounds like the bake sale organiser in OP’s case wasn’t exactly polite herself, so might deserve a not-so-friendly reply, but then again, two wrongs don’t make a right. In my world, an appropriate answer would be something like

“Liebe XY, bitte entschuldige die späte Antwort, wir waren im Urlaub und haben die Nachricht erst jetzt gesehen. Mein Mann und ich sind beruflich so eingespannt, dass wir leider keine Zeit mehr zum Backen haben, beteiligen uns aber stattdessen gerne mit einer Spende. Sag bitte einfach Bescheid, wo wir am sinnvollsten etwas beisteuern können. Danke für deine Mühe und herzliche Grüße”

Sounds like OP handled it well, though, and the organiser really needs to back off now. I know that some people take their Ehrenamt very seriously indeed, but the woman needs to accept that not everyone has the time or inclination!

I don’t think shop-bought or bakery cake is a good alternative - most of them are nowhere near as nice as good home-baked cakes and I'd be a bit disappointed if I ended up paying for a cheap nasty supermarket muffin at a bake sale. Konditorei would be fine, but far too expensive for a bake sale these days. Much better to just opt out completely, IMO.
If you ever do want to contribute again, I’d make a massive batch of chocolate chip cookies. You can freeze the raw dough bawls for up to three months and throw a few of them in the oven whenever you need some extremely quick but delicious baked goods. I use this recipe and they’ve always been very well received by my German colleagues and friends:
https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/chewy-chocolate-chip-cookies/

Mind you, your previous cakes might have been the only edible ones.
German cakes need a LOT of cream/syrup/alcohol/fruit to provide moisture, in my view.
Case in point, Sandkuchen - the clue is in the name.
(Yes, over 20 years here and I still do not love the cakes)

I think it probably just depends on what you grew up with. Much as I loved living in the UK, I never liked many of the popular options. I usually find Victoria Sponge too sweet and incredibly boring and would much rather have a lovely Zwetschgendatschi! Also, minced pies and Christmas pudding must have been invented by the devil himself - horrible stuff (thanks, I’ll see myself out).

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ShoesoftheWorld · 20/04/2023 14:11

'“Liebe XY, bitte entschuldige die späte Antwort, wir waren im Urlaub und haben die Nachricht erst jetzt gesehen. Mein Mann und ich sind beruflich so eingespannt, dass wir leider keine Zeit mehr zum Backen haben, beteiligen uns aber stattdessen gerne mit einer Spende. Sag bitte einfach Bescheid, wo wir am sinnvollsten etwas beisteuern können. Danke für deine Mühe und herzliche Grüße” '

This is a good message, but perhaps a tiny bit overdone for this situation. It would be more appropriate for pulling out of a regular volunteering commitment. It's also potentially a bit confusing - 'Spende' might be misunderstood as 'cake after all' (there is the expression 'Kuchenspenden' for cake sales), especially in the context of 'beisteuern', which to me implies things and not money.

Katzenkuchen · 20/04/2023 14:31

"'Spende' might be misunderstood as 'cake after all' (there is the expression 'Kuchenspenden' for cake sales), especially in the context of 'beisteuern', which to me implies things and not money."

I think it's clear in the context, but you're right, best to leave zero room for misunderstandings, so probably should have said Geldspende instead of Spende!

Maerchentante · 20/04/2023 14:34

FatCatSkinnyRat · 20/04/2023 14:27

Bet you have got plenty of these bad boys eh? Most German thing ever.

Where can I find those bad boys in the UK? I love the look of them.....

I'm sure I've seen them in a Lidl leaflet before when they had baking week.

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