Teacher salary pro rata?

[JackSheepskin]

So I might be an idiot… but I’ve seen a lot recently about how teachers aren’t paid for the holiday periods, their salary is pro rata and paid equally over 12 months.

Therefore if I saw a job advert for £60k, does that mean you don’t actually get £60k but whatever remains from that salary after the additional 6 weeks holiday is taken off? Or is the salary advertised already pro rata?

If it’s full time that equates to 195 days (or whatever the figure is) of work per year and they get 12 equal payments for that.

Where is there a teacher job for £60k?!

The salary for a teacher is what it says on the job advert usually. The contract will then lay out further details, as to contact hours, etc. a teaching salary includes contact and non contact time, and an allowance for certain holidays. It was changed many years ago to be spread over 12 months rather than just during term time iirr.

Not many teaching roles at £60k. Where is it and at what level?

I'm an LSA. I get £22,525 pro-rata and come out with £14,800-ish actual which is 30hrs a week for 39wks a year plus five days staff straining and four week annual leave.

Please tell me where there is a teaching job for 60k!

No it’ll be paid £60k, their argument is that if they were paid for the full weeks a year it would be paid more than £60k.

Why is a teaching job for £60k so surprising? Plenty of deputy heads in secondary school will be on more than that.

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy was there really any need? Sick of seeing nasty snarky answers on here - why be so rude?

Tbf it's a pretty valid point. Someone on £60k will not be a 'new teacher' so presumably has come across similar before.
The maths is very basic too if you have the details. Level 2 functional maths at most.

A teaching job is not a deputy head job.

It usually takes around 10 years minimum to become an assistant principal, and another 5-10 to be a deputy principal (unless the school is inadequate or RI where SLT were culled).

In my school we have nearly 100 teachers and only 1 deputy head.

‘Why is a teaching job for £60k so surprising? Plenty of deputy heads in secondary school will be on more than that.’

yup, and private schools.

I’m not a teacher. What I don’t get is how they can say they aren’t paid for the extra holiday period if they receive the advertised salary. So if the figures on the pay scales are correct, and none of that is deducted for the additional holiday then I genuinely think that’s pretty good!

Good grief someone is trying to understand the teacher pay problem but just gets such snarky responses. Great way to get people to support what is going on and why they should be supported in their demands.

I'm an accountant, great at maths thanks, still none the wiser how teachers' pay is calculated.

So if the advert is £60k I assume they are paid £5k pm but obviously only work term time.

If the advert is £60k pro rata are they paid working days only ....... so maybe 195/365 x £60k ie £32k total which is £2700pm.

The definition of pro rata is key - is it based on 39 weeks x 5 days? So weekends are also unpaid?

Well they're not paid for most of the holiday period - so that's why they say it! But teachers have no choice but to work those hours - they can't work FT even if they desperately wanted to. Very few jobs where they can make up the salary working during holidays only.

And yes - teachers don't earn £60k! Heads do, but not normal scale teachers.

The salary is divided by 12, that doesn’t mean they’re paid for the holidays hours, just paid during the holiday period.

Its the same for most support staff, they’ll work say 38 weeks a year, get paid 5.6 weeks holiday, so total pay is for 43.6 weeks/year, but it’s paid over a 12 month period. That doesn’t mean they’re paid for 52 weeks.

£60k salary for a teacher is very high, suggesting it’s either a leadership role, or has a lot of additional responsibilities in which case the teacher is receiving a salary and allowance/s. Your average classroom teacher is not earning close to that amount unfortunately.

I think your question is valid op.
I've just Googled and a staring salary for a teacher is 28k, and a nurse 26k. But the teacher gets maybe 13 weeks leave and a nurse only 5. So it really does seem like a decent deal for teachers.

Or teachers and nurses both get a bad deal? It’s not a competition.

Plenty of jobs have shit pay and conditions, that doesn’t mean teachers (or any other role) can’t campaign and strike for better for themselves.

You should be getting 5.6 week paid AL. If you’re not they are paying you incorrectly.

No, teachers get the full salary unless they work part time I.e 4 days pw.

Support staff don't get paid for holidays. Some teachers will argue they don't, but if that's the case it's accounted for in the salary scale.

Thier salary is for directed hours which are 1265 hours over 195 days a year when they must be available to be directed by the HT to be in work.

in order to discharge their directed hours teachers carry out work in non directed time. Thier contract specifies this happens - but the amount of time to do this, the location where they do this, or when they do it, is not specified. Teachers should use their professional judgement on when, how long etc.

If a teacher has pay deducted for unpaid absence it should be 1/365 of their annual salary.

I think teacher contracts are very confusing.

Teachers are paid for the 195 days that they are in school plus 4-5 weeks of annual leave.

The pay scales are the salary they receive, which is divided by 12.

However, whether you think they're ok or not is irrelevant. After 13 years of below-inflation pay rises our wages buy less than they did 13 years ago. English teachers are also paid less than Welsh and Scottish teachers.

I think this a very valid question. In school support jobs or early years term time only jobs it really is pro rata, so salary advertised but reduced for fewer weeks (usually 39 plus 5.6 average weeks holiday). Teaching jobs are rarely advertised as pro rata unless they are reduced hours (i.e. part time).

So the pay scales are the salary that a teacher receives, which is what the op was originally trying to work out.

Asinine which case the regular comment that teachers are not paid for holidays is rather misleading isnt it? Because that suggests that the quoted salaries are reduced by % to account for the unpaid holiday, when that is not the case.

The need to demand better pay hasn't been challenged on this thread by anyone and it's fair to point out that teachers and nurses have the same starting salary with a massive difference in days worked.

Support Staff are usually on the same pay scales as local government staff, so the salary typically applies to employees who work 52 weeks, it’s therefore clarified as being pro rata.

The same does not apply for teachers, who are on pay scales specifically for teachers.