Teacher salary pro rata?

[JackSheepskin]

So I might be an idiot… but I’ve seen a lot recently about how teachers aren’t paid for the holiday periods, their salary is pro rata and paid equally over 12 months.

Therefore if I saw a job advert for £60k, does that mean you don’t actually get £60k but whatever remains from that salary after the additional 6 weeks holiday is taken off? Or is the salary advertised already pro rata?

FWIW I think the pro rata salary should be stated in the ad, particularly for support staff as I can imagine it’s a faff to figure out if you don’t understand how it works!

But nurses get overtime, right? Teachers do hours and hours of unpaid overtime every week and during every holiday.

Mint! But sadly true...

Absolutely valid question. It's a great deal! Come and be a teacher!

I get paid for 7 hours a day and work 12!

I got what you meant op and that the 60k figure was an example

Teachers contracts in England are crazy. I've no idea why anyone would sign them.

That being said, I think the dont get paid for holidays thing is bullshit.

Course they do.

Just some teachers want to make out the hours/pay are worse than they are

(Yes, I'm aware lots of teachers work ridiculous hours term time. Yes I'm aware there's a recruitment crisis in England, yes I'm aware education in general is fucked)

@SweetChilliGirl

Depends

Nurses can work overtime /bank shifts

But they also, on average, (according to recent research) work a day a week for free

Loads of jobs involve unpaid extra work

You can think whatever you'd like. The problem is you're factually wrong.

Teachers salaries are not, usually advertised as an actual amount but which pay scale plus TLR.

and do, we’re not paid for holidays, just the directed time.

The wording is different between teachers and teaching assistant / support staff. Support staff wages are given as Full Time Equivalents (FTE) and clearly say pro rata. You need to figure out the appropriate wage for number of weeks and hours given. Usually most boil down to 12-14k a year.

Wages for teachers’ jobs are not given as FTE. The wage specified is what is actually given.

In both cases wages given are usually paid by Dividing by 12 and paying an equal amount each month.

I have no idea about why there is a difference, it may be historical as teachers have been around a lot longer than teaching assistants and more recent laws governing by advertising, but I’m afraid teachers’ insisting that they don’t get paid for holidays looks rather like creative accounting now in view of the difference. What they see is what they get.

You are more than welcome to apply to be a teacher if you think it’s pretty good :)

Obviously a promoted post and anyone who would feel qualified to apply for it would already know how a teacher's salary is calculated as they already would have worked as a teacher for a fair few years.

To be fair support staff salary is also paid over 12 months, not just term time - but it is much more directed time. They are only paid for specific hours, term time only and their advertised salary is rarely the actual pay as the pro rata is dine afterwards.

please show us this 60k teachers job advert. Thank you

😂
private schools do not pay better!

Imagine being this confidently wrong 😂

The salaries ARE pro rata. This is already worked out when stating the salary.

That being said, I think the dont get paid for holidays thing is bullshit. Course they do.

Can you explain why you think it's bullshit? As has already been explained, full-time teachers are only paid to work 195 days out of 365. That pay is divided into 12 and paid to them once a month throughout the year. Some of those payments will occur during holiday time. That is not the same as being 'paid for holidays'.

Maybe you could train as a teacher and you'd be able to benefit from all those holidays.

In the school I work in, all teachers are paid a FTE salary. So you'd be taking £60k home divided into equal monthly amounts.

Support staff are only paid for the weeks they work. So £18k pro rata would work out as more like £16k then split between 12 months.

Yes, it's entirely unfair but hey.

@RosaGallica
but I’m afraid teachers’ insisting that they don’t get paid for holidays looks rather like creative accounting now in view of the difference. What they see is what they get.

I’m a teacher. I think our insistence that we don’t get paid for holidays is more to make ourselves feel better for the shit pay… If we work it out for our actual working weeks, it looks like we’re actually appreciated 😀

Also helps deflect those tedious bastards who go on about our long holidays despite the fact that they get paid at least twice our salary for just dicking about in an office 😂

They are paid for the holidays. Just some teachers on mn like to pretend they’re not.

Your comment isn't true at all. I know this because I do the HR for a primary school.

At my school at least (and everywhere else I know of) teachers receive the full salary. They don't pro rata teacher salaries.

With the exception of bank teachers.

Are you thinking of support staff? Teaching assistants?

@Fairislefandango

Because I dont think you can have it both ways

If teachers aren't paid for holidays, then their wages are pretty good.

If they are then really, they can't moan they have to work some of them. They should be working most of them

I dont think teachers like either option really.

If you are support staff and only getting paid for the weeks you work then you are either getting annual leave (so paid leave) or you should be getting at least 5.6 weeks holiday pay on top.

Of you are support staff, getting paid only your working weeks and not getting annual leave you need to complain.

Plus, even teachers don't seem to really understand their contracts

10 will say 1 thing and another 5 will say its different

You do get way more holidays than everyone else though. In most areas of the country teachers are pretty well paid considering their hours, pensions, holidays, etc