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'A woman's prime is between 18-26'

222 replies

lough · 16/04/2023 19:45

AIBU to be annoyed at DP saying this? He's arguing it not from an opinion, but from a 'biological' viewpoint and when a woman is most appealing to men from a biological standpoint.

I am in this age range but bordering on the end of it and having such a crisis about aging anyway (which I HATE because I can't understand why women have this pressure that MEN do not and believe that it is predominantly a societal thing). He disagrees and says it's not a societal influence at all and solely biological and that 'most men' would agree that this is the age a female is 'in her prime'.

(To add, I'd like to think I'm not in my prime now before 25 as I'd be sorely disappointed 🤣).
Surely his black/white perspective of this is wrong? It just annoys me but possibly because I'm so into feminism.

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TomatoSandwiches · 16/04/2023 19:52

I'd be more concerned about how his insinuation and intent behind the comment than anything else.

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/04/2023 19:53

Ridiculous. Women aren't just fertility which doesn't actually expire at 26. We're full realised human beings without a sell by date. He's telling which age group he's attracted to for whatever reason.

Stupid man. Give yourself a birthday present of meeting someone who'll see your value in the years and decades to come and let him try his luck with teenagers for as long as HD likes.

lough · 16/04/2023 19:54

@pointythings these experiences make me less scared about aging, I love it!!

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Albiboba · 16/04/2023 19:54

@lough (he's very scientific and supports biological evidence in most debates similar so he genuinely believes this too).

  • Peak male fertility is around 25-29 years old.
  • Sperm quality begins to decline at 30

Did he mention his own ‘peak’ is a mere 4 years later?

https://pathfertility.com/age-affects-male-and-female-fertility/

Age Affects Male and Female Fertility - Path Fertility

Men and women are deciding to try for children at older and older age. Age affecs both male and female fertility. Learn more about the Path Fertility Test.

https://pathfertility.com/age-affects-male-and-female-fertility/

londonrach · 16/04/2023 19:54

I disagree...I didn't feel like a women till my 30s and love my 40s and having been lucky enough to see patients in their mature years ....best years are 50-80 ish as long as have health

learieonthewildmoor · 16/04/2023 19:54

He’s telling you that he does not see women as full human beings, existing for themselves. He sees the purpose of women as sexual, and he feels he is in a position to give judgement on their value. You’re infuriated because he is being an utter and ignorant arsehole, and you should break up with him immediately. He probably watches Andrew Tate videos.

AnneWhittle · 16/04/2023 19:55

museumum · 16/04/2023 19:50

A woman’s “prime” is NOT when she’s most attractive to men! It’s when she doesn’t give a fuck what men think and has the wisdom, skill and confidence to excel in her own right, with or without a male life partner.

this x100

threecupsofteaminimum · 16/04/2023 19:55

museumum · 16/04/2023 19:50

A woman’s “prime” is NOT when she’s most attractive to men! It’s when she doesn’t give a fuck what men think and has the wisdom, skill and confidence to excel in her own right, with or without a male life partner.

Hear hear!

Smokingonthestairs · 16/04/2023 19:55

It’s lucky that the female body is programmed in such a way that women probably care most about men’s opinions of them at a time that coincides with when they’re most fertile , otherwise it could be the end of the human race. Imagine if we all had our smoothest skin and optimum fertility and perkiest tits in our forties, when lots of us become a bit more picky about men?

lough · 16/04/2023 19:56

@Albiboba funnily enough he believed that men don't tend to have a strong 'prime' because their fertility can continue for so much longer (which he believes is why so many men in their 40s are attractive to younger women, not a societal reason like I'd believe), but if he had to say he'd say early to mid 30s. I'll definitely come back with some of these facts (but he's not the type to care if he would be out of his prime 😂)

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curlymacv · 16/04/2023 19:57

Whether or not it's ""true"" in the sense of childbearing or not, it's a pretty disgusting comment that reduces women to sex appeal and baby making machines only. So for me giant red flag and even more giant turn-off.

Bingbangbongbash · 16/04/2023 19:57

Smokingonthestairs · 16/04/2023 19:55

It’s lucky that the female body is programmed in such a way that women probably care most about men’s opinions of them at a time that coincides with when they’re most fertile , otherwise it could be the end of the human race. Imagine if we all had our smoothest skin and optimum fertility and perkiest tits in our forties, when lots of us become a bit more picky about men?

Disagree - imagine how we would evolve into a much better species if we all procreated with kind, sensible men instead of pathetic little twits like the OP’s ‘D’P

FoodCentre · 16/04/2023 19:57

Convenient that a woman's prime starts at 18 and not a year lower😂

For childbearing yes, it's true. For anything in anything else, it's subjective.

Men who say this are bleurgh. Sort of conversations we had in year 11 and sixth form. Imagine a grown man coming out with this.

OhmygodDont · 16/04/2023 19:58

Men in their 40’s are attractive apart
from some looks, they often have good careers etc not say a looser in trackies down the pub every night with gavin 😂

ShannonMcFarland · 16/04/2023 19:58

When I think about myself at that age, I had a lot of time to put effort into being conventionally pretty but didn't yet have the confidence to be myself and stop masking and conforming.

So yeah, I see why a certain type of man would really like that.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 16/04/2023 19:58

A male friend of mine once told me that most men deteriorate rapidly after 18 and aren’t really much cop after 30. “We’re really meant to be hunting woolly mammoth for food and once we’re past 30 and no longer as physically fit and can’t run around as quickly, we’re not much use”, he argued. 😂 It was quite refreshing.

RedLem0nade · 16/04/2023 19:58

I suppose it depends on who is defining “prime”.

For men it will focus, perhaps, on youthful beauty, the proxy of fertility.

For women I think it focuses on power/feeling empowered- confidence and not giving a fuck plays a big part in that. I’m 40 now and I reckon I’m hitting my prime about now and it feels gooooood.

FoodCentre · 16/04/2023 19:59

FoodCentre · 16/04/2023 19:57

Convenient that a woman's prime starts at 18 and not a year lower😂

For childbearing yes, it's true. For anything in anything else, it's subjective.

Men who say this are bleurgh. Sort of conversations we had in year 11 and sixth form. Imagine a grown man coming out with this.

According to your DH, op, I'm in my prime (only just). I sincerely hope not, if this is as good as it gets😂

Saltired · 16/04/2023 19:59

lough · 16/04/2023 19:56

@Albiboba funnily enough he believed that men don't tend to have a strong 'prime' because their fertility can continue for so much longer (which he believes is why so many men in their 40s are attractive to younger women, not a societal reason like I'd believe), but if he had to say he'd say early to mid 30s. I'll definitely come back with some of these facts (but he's not the type to care if he would be out of his prime 😂)

Older men are only attractive to younger women because the male brain is slower to develop.

curlymacv · 16/04/2023 19:59

lough · 16/04/2023 19:56

@Albiboba funnily enough he believed that men don't tend to have a strong 'prime' because their fertility can continue for so much longer (which he believes is why so many men in their 40s are attractive to younger women, not a societal reason like I'd believe), but if he had to say he'd say early to mid 30s. I'll definitely come back with some of these facts (but he's not the type to care if he would be out of his prime 😂)

When we say we're attracted to older men though it's like, you know, Keanu Reeves and Tom Huddleston. Not beer belly Bob from down the street with a drinking problem and an inability to wash dishes.

Albiboba · 16/04/2023 20:00

@lough funnily enough he believed that men don’t tend to have have a strong 'prime' because their fertility can continue for so much longer (which he believes is why so many men in their 40s are attractive to younger women, not a societal reason like I'd believe

Oh so shocking that he’s so scientific when it comes to women but no he rejects the idea that men have a prime.

So funny. So shocking.

Sounds like you have quite the catch

mackthepony · 16/04/2023 20:00

Let me guess, he says that men are better with age???

BounceyB · 16/04/2023 20:00

It might be the peak for child bearing but there are other things to consider:-

A woman reaches her sexual peak at 40, so they're actually better suited to younger men at this age who have more energy.

Women are more confident and less likely to end up in abusive relationships at this age.

There's also a lesser known fact that the quality of male sperm degrades from the age of 35 onwards which results in men in their 40s being more likely to have children with autism/ADHD.

All these things are an argument for women who want children trading in their partners for younger models. Tell your DP to put that in his pipe and smoke it.

Skybluepinky · 16/04/2023 20:01

Can’t u trade him in, u must b able to do better.

mackthepony · 16/04/2023 20:02

funnily enough he believed that men don’t tend to have have a strong 'prime' because their fertility can continue for so much longer
^^

Hmm. There's a reason premiership footballers are finished at age 35