Another angel killed

[Thomasina79]

RIP little Finley.

why, why are such babies returned to monsters like the two who murdered baby Finley. Only 10 months old.

just read this, absolutely horrifying.

I dont work for SS but i do a role that means I sometimes work along side (loosly) from what I can gather is that there are so many children living in squalor and with addicted parents who cannot cope that the SS cant cope, they would be removing children constantly.

This story is absolutely heartbreaking, i cannot understand why they would fight to get him back and then beat and torture him 😢

Just read this, only got half way through and I had to stop. The poor poor baby. I actually hate the evil bastards of parents and hope they rot in hell. Those injuries are so horrific.

This is so unbelievably awful 😞

In this case SS applied for removal at birth and didn't support the child going home. The courts overruled. I'd be interested to see if the review is published and what evidence the court based that decision on.

This is heartbreaking, I'm pregnant finally with my rainbow baby after nearly 4 years of trying and to think this is how they treated a blessing so many can only dream of.
I would have given him so much love.

Social services are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If a child hasn't been badly injured or killed - "how dare those cruel social workers/the courts take away those parents' child for no reason!". If a child is injured or killed - "why didn't social services/the courts act sooner!".

That's true we only ever hear about the ones they failed, never do we praise them for the hundreds they save. It wasn't even SS who made the decision to return him.

@givemushypeasachance so your stance is poor social workers? To be fair here, I don't think you can argue that any of the authorities have done a fantastic job. The social care system has too many holes. Too many injustices to count.

Don’t want to change the topic to a different one but I really don’t see why these pieces of excrement deserve to live.

Exactly - we also never hear about the success stories.

Angel?

Can only hope they don’t get out of jail until they’re past the age to have more children. Very sad.

They fought to get him back because, like so many parents, they see the child as a possession that was taken from them, not as a human being.

They wouldn't let them keep them now anyway.

This is also why I get so peeved when so many people, including on her, are alway telling people to mind their own business when it comes to other peoples children.

Im a DSL at school and I’ve dealt with SS a lot over my career. What I always say to staff is if there is any doubt, any doubt at all, report it to the right person. You never know what information someone has, you never know what someone else has seen, you never know what someone else has been told. You may have the final piece of the jigsaw, the final bit of proof to get that child to safety.

That poor little baby. What scum for “parents”. We give parents too many chances to change sometimes sadly

Just imagine if people who want to have babies had to be screened and jump through ten thousand hoops like people seeking to adapt have to. There would be no need for social services at all.

Babies are just so trusting, so dependent, so innocent, so blinking small……the people who did this deserve nothing less than being set on fire and left to burn.

Adopt, not adapt.

Hopefully some prison "justice" awaits them.

Who do you think is to blame for a child being beaten to death by its parents?
Because it wasn't the social workers.

It's all a bit girl was raped because of a short skirt and vodka rather than because of a rapist isn't it?

After Finley died, Boden [the father] was heard telling Marsden [the mother] at hospital he was going to sell Finley's pushchair "on eBay" - but later told police he only said it "in an effort to lighten the mood".

..... 😩

Lighten the mood. After you've killed your baby.

When are we bringing back hanging?

This story is absolutely heartbreaking, i cannot understand why they would fight to get him back and then beat and torture him 😢

No baby, no benefits. The judge summed up the case as much: their priority was getting money to buy drugs. If allowing social worker access had been a prerequisite for receiving their benefits, I expect he’d still be alive.

The Constance Marten threads a while back demonstrated this. So many posters saying how understandable it was that the parents were on the run to protect their baby from the big bad social workers and they didn't blame them etc etc (not exact quotes but the general gist). Plenty of people assume all babies belong with their mothers, including courts in this case, until the baby tragically dies.

“On average 20 children under 1 are the victims of homicide each year. Each death results in an official review of what went wrong and then, as anguish over cases builds, a formal inquiry is launched.Three such inquiries into children's social care in England reported back last year. All three came to similar conclusions - the system needed a radical overhaul.Two months ago, the government responded - agreeing that children's social care did need a "major reset".A consultation document was published by the Department for Education in February entitled 'Stable Homes, Built on Love'. It wrote of the need for phased reform, laying foundations, setting the direction for change, bringing forward new legislation subject to parliamentary time.Critics noted the £200m investment promised over the next two years is just a fifth of the billion pounds the government-commissioned inquiry into child social care in England had recommended. Some professionals lamented the lengthy timescale for reform.There is general agreement that what is needed is effective multi-agency support for vulnerable children and their families. Inquiries have been trying to achieve that for decades.“

(from bbc)

The question of why babies are returned to abusive or neglectful parents is complex.

In this case it appears that social workers were not supportive of him going home or at the very least wanted a longer transition period. It seems that for whatever reason the family courts decided that he should go home. It must be difficult to decide a case like this where the baby was removed at or very soon after birth that there is no previous evidence of how the parents parented him to go on. In this case they clearly got it very wrong, with devastating consequences.

The child safeguarding review will look into the circumstances more fully but I expect it will say much the same as many others. That there was not enough communication between agencies, that professionals were too optimistic about the situation, that disguised compliance played a role in hiding the abuse, that there were issues around drugs, mental health and domestic violence, that people had concerns but didn’t pass them on.

These cases come about because of failures in society and in systems. It’s wrong to point fingers at individual social workers. Case reviews need to be about learning, not apportioning blame. The sad thing is that we don’t seem to be very good at learning lessons, because so many reviews say the same thing over and over.

My heart breaks for this child and every child in this situation.

I’m here to speak up for SS though. As you’ll know if you’ve read my recent thread,, my family was referred recently because I confided in a therapy session that my husband and I had argued in front of the children.

I was so scared and shocked by the referral but it was simply the system kicking in and doing the right thing. I had a long, honest conversation with an experienced social worker and she closed my case.

Not to derail the thread, but SS do a great job in extremely difficult situations and they are much maligned.