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Another angel killed

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Thomasina79 · 14/04/2023 14:58

RIP little Finley.

why, why are such babies returned to monsters like the two who murdered baby Finley. Only 10 months old.

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Brieandme · 14/04/2023 21:00

Threats of capital punishment will do f all.

Proper funding of children's services and the support families need (especially early help and preventative services) as well as better conditions and training for foster carers, support for adoptive families and addressing the outrageous profits made by privately run children's homes that provide substandard care.

But instead people vote the Tories in again and again, who continue to blame LAs for being inefficient and pretend that everyone can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps while justifying austerity as necessary for the public good.

Ponoka7 · 14/04/2023 21:07

bellac11 · 14/04/2023 20:15

SWs have no power to enter a house if denied entry. Ideally children will be picked up and held when babies but again, if the parent doesnt allow this you cant go picking up the child.

When you say ignored the bruising, was this not mentioned on case notes or to the SWs managers?

SWs can contact the police, who then have the powers to enter. It doesn't seem that the refusing of visits were put back to the court. The SW has actually been asked why she didn't closer inspect the baby. It doesn't seem that she was stopped from picking up the baby, but rather didn't bother. She arrived and it took around twenty minutes for the parents to come downstairs. Meanwhile the baby was on the couch. The parents were stoned. She shouldn't have left without making sure that the baby was well. The baby had broken bones on that visit. It was a key feature in the case of Baby P, him not being picked up or sent for an x-ray because 'he was settled'. Babies with broken bones/injuries aren't going to move much.

Milkandhoneybees · 14/04/2023 21:11

Gymrabbit · 14/04/2023 15:38

Don’t want to change the topic to a different one but I really don’t see why these pieces of excrement deserve to live.

They should sterilise anyone convicted of child murder as standard practice.

nomoredriving · 14/04/2023 21:13

ComtesseDeSpair · 14/04/2023 16:07

This story is absolutely heartbreaking, i cannot understand why they would fight to get him back and then beat and torture him 😢

No baby, no benefits. The judge summed up the case as much: their priority was getting money to buy drugs. If allowing social worker access had been a prerequisite for receiving their benefits, I expect he’d still be alive.

Sadly so true

nomoredriving · 14/04/2023 21:22

dottypotter · 14/04/2023 20:55

It's a choice to take drugs. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

I understand author but what you are saying here, but

Supposing a little. Finley the abused little baby survived, didn't get killed by his parents, but still suffered terrible abuse and was close to death but Uber the radar.

Could you understand that abused little baby, toddler, young child, teen ..... eventually turning to drink/drugs?

It's so complex, that the abused child that so sadly dies gets loads of empathy, but the one that barely survives, is told they've got a choice.

mimiarm7 · 14/04/2023 21:28

I've just read this in the news and it's heartbreaking. I'm sat here nap trapped holding my 9 month old with tears flowing at the thought of that poor baby and what he went through 💔

Takoneko · 14/04/2023 21:37

@nomoredriving That really resonates with me. I work in safeguarding in a secondary school and the fact is that people have very little sympathy or patience with teenagers who have survived the most horrific abuse. The case files of some of the kids I work with are truly harrowing.

I know they don’t have access to their full files but I sometimes find it hard not to get cross with colleagues who just don’t seem to appreciate the extent to which some of the teens we work with are traumatised. I’ve had to deal with someone who wanted a kid put into isolation for being rude when they told her they were going to call her mum, when the reason she doesn’t live with her mum is because she was removed at infant school age because her mentally ill mum beat, burned and effectively waterboarded her. As a society we need to do better for the ones who survive abuse if we want to end the cycle.

thelengthspeoplegoto · 14/04/2023 21:50

Pair of lowlifes. I hope they get battered senseless every day in prison.

Brieandme · 14/04/2023 21:54

@Takoneko you've probably come across Gabor Mate, but for anyone who hasn't her really summarises that link well -excerpt from one of his interviews re his work as a doctor treating patients with addiction issues in Vancouver

In the downtown east side, which is Vancouver's drug area, and not only is it Vancouver's drug area, it's also known as North America's most concentrated area of drug use. We have more people there using, injecting substances than any other place in North America in a few square block radius. I can tell you that over a twelve year period, I didn't meet a single female patient who had not been sexually abused as a child; not a single male patient who had not been either physically abused or sexually abused or neglected or abandoned in significant ways.

"In North America, we like to think of addiction as either a choice that people make. If they make that choice then you punish them for it, so we build jails where we keep people who use drugs, or we see it as a brain disease that's genetically inherited. What actually happens is when people are traumatized, that increases their risk of addiction. When it comes to addiction then, what we're looking at is the impact of childhood trauma. Why? Because number one, let's define an addiction. An addiction is any behavior, substance related or not, that an individual pursues because they find pleasure, relief, or they crave it temporarily so they pursue it for the pleasure and the relief despite negative consequences and they don't give it up in the face of negative consequences. I said any behavior, so that could be sex, gambling, eating, shopping, work, relationships, or substances.

ShonaShoop · 14/04/2023 22:22

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-04-14/baby-finleys-injuries-were-among-worst-seen-in-27-year-career-police-say

I am literally lost for words. OMG! Poor baby 😢 I’ve had many children placed in foster care with serious injuries. I thought I was prepared to hear anything. I have just experienced the tip of the iceberg. I have made several reports about Social Workers who were working, apparently, in the best interests of the child, but failed the child time and again but this! OMG!! 10 months old! 10 months! His whole life consisted of pain and suffering 😭

This is the level of Child Protection in the UK as it stands. How much worse can it get! Child Protection Services…. My arse!!

ginghamstarfish · 14/04/2023 22:26

Not sure parents like that should get a second chance at all. They should be irreversibly sterilised after the first incident, and be in prison until they die after a second incident. Death penalty maybe, but better to be in prison where hope they are treated as they deserve.

TheUsualChaos · 14/04/2023 22:28

Well no, his whole life didn't consist of pain and suffering. Up until for some inconceivable reason it was decided to hand him back to his parents, he was safe 😢

Cavend · 14/04/2023 22:29

It seems that this baby boy's life was in the hands of the FAMILY COURT.
Finley's life in a court's hands.
So many murders during lockdown, in the other cases, particularly Arthur, SS were responsible along with his so called father and the beast who are now serving their sentences. Lets hope they never leave prison.

TheUsualChaos · 14/04/2023 22:33

The court system needs to stop gambling with children's lives like this. They were deemed unfit to be his parents when he was a newborn. That should be the end of it. Passing children back and forth just adds to the trauma and in the worst cases like poor Finley, they don't survive.

Cavend · 14/04/2023 22:48

TheUsualChaos · 14/04/2023 20:41

The system is just utterly broken and overwhelmed.

Plus far too much bias towards keeping children within biological family in this country. Child protection should always overrule family. Yes, foster homes, children's homes etc are not an ideal scenario but at least those children very rarely end up dead.

@TheUsualChaos

Billy Jo Jenkins
Leiland James Corkhill
Elsie Scully Hicks

These children were all murdered by their foster carers. A previous poster has stated the devil walks among us, I guess these foster "carers" must be really good actors. I remember reading of a case in Wigan approx 2000's where a potential adopter died after falling through a full length mirror. This woman was about to have a baby placed in her care, and the inquest heard that she was hiding a serious drink problem.

ilovesooty · 14/04/2023 22:56

thelengthspeoplegoto · 14/04/2023 21:50

Pair of lowlifes. I hope they get battered senseless every day in prison.

However reprehensible they are, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of advocating violence and anarchy in prisons.

ilovesooty · 14/04/2023 23:01

Billie Jo Jenkins ' murder is officially unsolved.

usernamechanged1 · 14/04/2023 23:02

I wish there was an option to publicly hang them.

As there is not, I hope their fellow cons kick the living shite out of them each and every day that remains of their miserable, wasteful lives. I hope they suffer every moment and are begging for someone to just kill them.

Cavend · 14/04/2023 23:03

ilovesooty · 14/04/2023 22:56

However reprehensible they are, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of advocating violence and anarchy in prisons.

There is anarchy in prisons, just look at the use of deadly spice and other drugs, all rife in prisons, and the prison authorities just can not stop it.

Cavend · 14/04/2023 23:04

ilovesooty · 14/04/2023 23:01

Billie Jo Jenkins ' murder is officially unsolved.

Yes, and the police are not looking for anyone else in connection with Billy Jo's murder.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 14/04/2023 23:05

The system is fucked. That's why lessons are never learned.Because everyone knows what they're supposed to do but there's never enough resources,time,money, foster carers etc.

A court decided to hand this baby back to his parents, despite concerns,despite removal at birth,despite drug use, despite SS recommendations. His blood is on their hands.

TheUsualChaos · 14/04/2023 23:06

Cavend · 14/04/2023 22:48

@TheUsualChaos

Billy Jo Jenkins
Leiland James Corkhill
Elsie Scully Hicks

These children were all murdered by their foster carers. A previous poster has stated the devil walks among us, I guess these foster "carers" must be really good actors. I remember reading of a case in Wigan approx 2000's where a potential adopter died after falling through a full length mirror. This woman was about to have a baby placed in her care, and the inquest heard that she was hiding a serious drink problem.

As I said, "rarely". I didn't say never.

But far, far more frequent is the death of a child at the hand of their own parents. Yet too often the courts give those parents chance after chance rather than take the safest option for the child.

ilovesooty · 14/04/2023 23:06

Cavend · 14/04/2023 23:03

There is anarchy in prisons, just look at the use of deadly spice and other drugs, all rife in prisons, and the prison authorities just can not stop it.

Of course there is a lot of what you say in prisons. I still don't want vigilante violence to be tolerated.

Wetnwindy · 14/04/2023 23:13

HNRTFT..don’t blame SW. They can only give advice to the Family Courts. The judge is in control as to what happens next .

FrostyFifi · 14/04/2023 23:15

10 months old. For 10 months that baby only knew pain and suffering. Jesus Christ! There are no words. Poor baby

He was with foster carers until a month before his death so he would have gone from love and care to that hell.
As to why they wanted him back? Benefit money for drugs, plus wanting to get one over on SS, at a guess.

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