Another angel killed

[Thomasina79]

RIP little Finley.

why, why are such babies returned to monsters like the two who murdered baby Finley. Only 10 months old.

Well said!!

Neither do I

Systematic cruelty revelling in it and glorifying it strikes me akin to a nazi concentration guard.

The pit of human depravity and cruelty and sadism.

Never ever be changed

Utter bastard monsters hope they all rot in hell

My one year old just bumped her head and toddled over to me for a cuddle. I felt so sorry for her. I can't imagine actually having caused that pain. I cannot fathom the absolute depravity of the human race. That sweet little boy.

The U.K. family courts aren’t fit for purpose. They hide behind secrecy laws . Children are either wrongly removed with no or fabricated evidence (often cases of FII where actually parents of SEN children are targeted) or children should be permanently removed as in this case and aren’t

It's nonsence that SS or medical professionals are over zealous.

My 4 were in and out of casualty numerous times dd3 I pulled her back as she ran into traffic and I dislocated her wrist. Felt absolutely bloody awful but less awful if she had been run over. Explained all to the A&E staff who were fabulous.

You tell the truth. It makes sense.

I used to work as a district nurse we saw all sorts.

The liars are evasive smooth and manipulating. The truth tellers are vocal upset desperate to get help and totally transparent

Me too. Heart breaking

They don't listen to foster carers who know the child either!

Foster Carers are not even asked for their experiences re working with the family of a child they are fostering. The only people who get a say within the Family Court are the social worker and the CAFCASS representative (if they have oppose the stance of the Social Worker.)

So many children are being let down by the people who are paid to protect them. When are inept Social Workers going to be held accountable for not protecting the children they are paid to protect?

Once again the social worker visited a vulnerable child's home days before he breathed his last breath and was happy to leave the premises when a parent refused them entry.

The Child protection System throughout the UK needs a bloody good overhaul! Starting with getting rid of inept Social Workers and Team Managers and to prevent LA’s taking on newly qualified social workers that Team Managers can manipulate.

Yet another baby was removed from foster carers, where he thrived, to be placed in the hell hole where he suffered, mercilessly! A 10 month old baby had every bone in his body broken - within a month! Because Social Services insist that every child is better off with his or her parents. Unbelievable!

I’ve been fostering for over 30 years. I can’t foster any longer. I’m done with working with people who simply don’t care and who work under the guise of “Child protection” when all they do is protect the actions of their colleagues when they fuck up and a child loses his or her life.

Working with Social Services now is simply untenable.

Poor Finley 😭 Rest in Peace now beautiful boy 💙

This is shocking. It appears a sw went to visit but had the door slammed in her face a few days before he died. She also saw the mother doing a cannabis deal.
Does anyone k ow why she didn't call the police. They would have obtained entry and saved him. Makes your blood boil he was so let down.
Also Finley had a brother, don't know where he fits all into this though.

He is back with the foster carers and by all accounts very settled.

Wondervwhy this happens. There is often more than one child in the family, but only one gets killed.
Do they just single the one out then.
Are we to assume the older child was a toddler?

@girlfriend44 the police are vastly overstretched. In our area the police wouldn't do a joint visit with SS unless we'd attempted several visits over a couple of days. Only exception would be if we had something to evidence more immediate risk, eg they'd come out to force entry if we believed a child was home alone.

The older one can’t have been much more than a toddler. The mother is only 22 now, so 18 or 19 when he was born. So the age gap to the older one can’t be that big.
The father was clearly and adult man and the mother a child when they first got together if they already had two children by the time she was 19. Depressingly common in these sort of cases.
As to why one child dies in these households… Little ones are extra vulnerable, so perhaps the kinds of things that were fatal to a 10 month old were survivable by the older sibling. In some cases one child is the scapegoat that gets targeted and in others all of the children are abused and neglected and it just happens to be fatal in one case. The parents rarely set out with the intention of killing the child and the depressing thing is that there will be thousands and thousands of children who are being treated similarly and just happen to survive.

You don't always have a couple of days though.

You would have thought the father closing the door and the mum being seen doing a drug deal would be enough to get the police involved.
SS had also seen the baby through a window on his own while the parents were upstairs.

The police are overstretched? Doing what that is more important than saving the life of a child?

The problem is knowing which ones need saving. There was research done back in 2018 that estimated that over 400,000 children lived in homes where parental mental ill health, domestic violence and substance abuse were all present to a moderate or severe extent. The fact is that hundreds of thousands of children live in these kinds of homes. What seems rare and extreme is actually depressingly common. Perhaps as many as a 5th of children live in these kinds of environments. Not all of them suffer violent abuse, but telling which ones will and which ones won’t is really hard. Services are overwhelmed because there are so many children in this sort of situation.

Because there's no evidence at that point that the life of a child is in danger?

I presume you've not done the job, parents refuse visits from social workers all the time. Pretend they're not in, claim people are ill, or that they're not happy that you've done X Y or Z and they won't let you in until they've spoken to your manager etc etc.

There's no way the police would ever attend every refused visit. I once waited for police attendance to see a child when we had info that there was someone known to carry weapons in the home. Sat in my car on the estate waiting until 10pm at night until our manager told us to go home (without seeing the child that day) Police never attended - response officers will naturally have to prioritise and there were always more urgent calls coming in, eg for RTAs, crimes in process etc. That was about 15yrs ago when the police were in a much better position than they are now.

The police will respond if there is something to indicate risk of immediate harm - such as a child behing home alone. A parent telling a social worker to F off and not letting them in doesn't indicate immediate danger, it's a fairly routine part of the job in child protection.

@Florenz slight side note, but that's how the Nazis started.

The man will never be past the age

@Florenz I’m not sure carbonated soft drinks and eugenics are really comparable.

@Florenz you don't think preventing people you deem unworthy parenthood is a bad idea?

Yes people drink Fanta, but last time I checked the recipe for Fanta didn't result in the deaths of millions of people.

This thread is nuts.