Another angel killed

[Thomasina79]

RIP little Finley.

why, why are such babies returned to monsters like the two who murdered baby Finley. Only 10 months old.

SWs have no power to enter a house if denied entry. Ideally children will be picked up and held when babies but again, if the parent doesnt allow this you cant go picking up the child.

When you say ignored the bruising, was this not mentioned on case notes or to the SWs managers?

Too many do nothing, too many turn a blind eye, too many refuse to listen, too many know about children like Finley but don’t do enough to help save their life. There will always be humans that shouldn’t have children, it’s so important that we stop facilitating them and stop trying to teach them to become better parents - they are evil to the core and they will never change.

I hope they have the most awful time in prison, I hope they suffer pain every waking minute in the years to come. I hope Finley didn’t die in vain; I hope his story empowers someone to seek help for another child in need

The devil's disciples walk amongst us.

How many more of these people are out there?

Every week we are hearing something. Why have a baby if your going to do that.

Now the taxpayers got to keep them in prison.

They should put all these vile people on a plane and drop them off in the Atlantic Ocean.
Nobody would miss them.

Why are we hearing so much about scum who want to murder their children/stepchildren?

For the life of me I cannot imagine a 10 month old having enough body to have 130 injuries. He'll is not good enough for those involved.

Some courts in some regions are very keen on placing children back at home with their parents. There’s a definite geographical divide on it that warrants some scrutiny.

@Katiecoffee Do you think it’s wise for you to have posted that here? I don’t disagree with your message but there’s only so many people party to what happens in those meetings. I think sharing stuff about such a high profile case could come back to bite you. I think you might want to ask HQ to withdraw the post.

Who advocated for Finley to be placed with the scum he was removed from in the first place? The Judge couldn’t overrule unless someone provided evidence that the scum were able to parent successfully

Benefits?
Where were all the other relatives/grandparents?

The system is just utterly broken and overwhelmed.

Plus far too much bias towards keeping children within biological family in this country. Child protection should always overrule family. Yes, foster homes, children's homes etc are not an ideal scenario but at least those children very rarely end up dead.

Name change for this.

I have the misfortune of knowing one of the parents. They were at school with my child and spent many a night here over a one year period (a number of years ago fortunately). I was shocked that they could do this - there were no signs of anything as a teenager. They were actually quite pleasant.

It makes me feel physically sick knowing that this person has spent time in my house with my family.

Over & over again it's said 'we will learn ' yet they never do. It's fluke that more children aren't killed, really it is. Incredibly sad.

Ex social worker here, left because the system doesn't work for families or children. Court system, police, schools, social services. All miss, delay, acting, poor management, burnt out staff, a very small percentage of children are ever even under the radar of social workers, a large percentage are entirely missed, the ones that are don't always receive just action in time, or professionals are manipulated by parents.

It's incredibly rare for a court to go against what a social worker report says I imagine that other 'evidence' was at play. Family court is also a complete mess though.

Sorry for the negativity but it's a depressing area & I get frustrated by comments suggesting that the system works, when it really doesn't.

Another victim of lockdown, I just knew this would happen. My heart aches so badly.. I haven't read the whole case I can't bare to but saw the photos of the total squalor and chaoshe lived in. How could anyone have sent him back to live there? That poor poor little boy. Sleep tight angel xx

Can only hope they don't get out of jail with their own bodies intact.

It's too easy these days to have and keep a child.

Everyone should be forced to undergo parenting classes and that's just one thought.

Other things you could introduce to help keep children safer.

I'm sorry you had this experience. It's interesting & often shocking how much people change isn't it?
If it makes you feel any better my dad went to school with Myra Hindley. She was ok as a child too, apparently. You just never know people really I don't think

@FinnysTail presumably no one will know that until the review is published. But in general terms, in family court there will be the parents + their counsel representing each of them, the children's guardian + their counsel, social services and theirs. You would assume that parents would have made a case to have him returned. We don't know the guardians view. It isn't just about how good each person's case is either, a judge has to make the decision with the caveat that if children can be with parents that they should, including in the parenting is to a low standard, including if parents are likely to need ongoing support. A judge can't make a decision based on a child being presumed to have a 'better' life elsewhere - they're not there to socially engineer. I appreciate it might seem 'obvious' here that the parents shouldn't have been caring for the child, however there are lots of families where things might look comparable - where parents smoke weed, have cluttered messy houses and who don't seem to like their children that much - who muddle through and don't inflict serious injuries or kill their children.

Also while I wish it wasn't the case, I second the PP who referred to the lack of suitable homes to move children to. I've worked with teens in the care system and its heartbreaking when you see children in situations and realise that they've come to more harm in the system than they did with parents. Repeated rejections, repeated moves to new carers, moved across the country, separated from brothers and sisters, and that's before looking at those who have been intentionally abused (eg bullying, grooming etc)

Exactly this.

@Messyhair321 incredibly rare for court to go against LA AND Guardian, if the two disagreed though I would say fairly common for court to go against LA...

Just wanted a shag no doubt.

It's a sad thought isn't it that all these monstrous killers were once just children themselves. Sad in the sense that their lives go so catastrophically wrong somewhere and future children pay the price.

It's a choice to take drugs. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Can only hope their heads are parted from their bodies very soon.

10 months old. For 10 months that baby only knew pain and suffering. Jesus Christ! There are no words. Poor baby 😭

Whoever thought it was a good idea for an innocent, vulnerable baby to live with and be at the mercy, of pure evil, deserves to be strung up!

How do these tragedies keep happening?

Another case review will take place where the same old ”lessons will ge learned” trope will be trotted out. We all know lessons won’t be learned and the same suffering to vulnerable babies will keep happening. Bring back the rope! Only then will evil scum think twice about their actions 🤬

System will never be fixed because it's kids on the poorer end of the socio economic spectrum that end up like this. Or, are more likely to.

Political issue, once again