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To think that the Peter Brookes cartoon of Joe Biden in the Times is pretty offensive towards Irish people?

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Hedwigharlot · 14/04/2023 13:42

The cartoon depicts him dressed as a leprechaun. It's like a depiction of Irish people from a Punch Magazine in the 19th century. Who thought it was appropriate? And why are the British media working themselves up into such a jealous frenzy over Biden coming to Ireland? Very poor behaviour.

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Byjoveindeed · 17/04/2023 19:45

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StephanieSuperpowers · 17/04/2023 19:53

So, in summary, you've enjoyed the last three decades.

Byjoveindeed · 17/04/2023 20:00

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DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 17/04/2023 20:08

We're not actually anti British Byjoveindeed and we certainly don't have a national inferiority complex. It is possible that for some reason some people don't like you.

postapesto · 17/04/2023 20:12

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We're not on our knees. We're riding high.

And nobody calls anyone "Tans".

StephanieSuperpowers · 17/04/2023 20:21

I want to hear more stories about tolerating the natives to accumulate vast riches. Like the Raj, only less interestingly exotic.

Byjoveindeed · 17/04/2023 20:26

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StephanieSuperpowers · 17/04/2023 21:16

Oh, it's just leaden satire.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 17/04/2023 21:23

I mentioned intellectual laziness right at the start of the thread.

Abhannmor · 19/04/2023 08:26

Softsoftsleep · 16/04/2023 21:55

You're right, and at first I thought 'it's not so bad, it's just making fun of Biden'. As I read through the pages of this thread, I realised that my experiences as an Irish woman living outside of Ireland, have skewed my perception of what is appropriate. I've lived in several countries outside of Ireland, but the anti Irish microagressions happened exclusively in England, and it was often so upfront and 'normal'.

-Mocking my accent when I spoke; literally parrotting back what I said. This happened all.the.time. and was the thing I hated the most.

-The never ending, boring statements that no Irish people ever say, eg 'Top o' the mornin' to ya'/'potatooooes'/turty tree and a turd

-asking if I was in/supported the IRA/did I have a gun

-jokes about me and my husband leaving bombs in bins

  • references to leprechauns and pots of gold when I made a comment during a staff meeting
  • references to 'your lot'

Then there were phrases that were part of the language such as 'having a paddy' and 'don't be so Irish (meaning stupid).

These are off the top of my head but it was constant, on a loop, never ending and very, very boring.

I got so used to it that it was just a normal part of my life. I got so used to just shrugging my shoulders at it that I am pretty sure I internalised it a bit. Nobody else seemed to think it was offensive so I just took it on the chin and let it go, thinking I was being over sensitive. I definitely felt 'othered' quite a lot.

Yes , all of the above and more. Although at least it is not on prime time tv every Saturday night as it was in the 70s and 80s.

It seemed to abate somewhat from the 90s onwards when suddenly we were all charming and clever. For a time it became fashionable to mock the Welsh and Scots instead.

I expect this waxing and waning is related to the Peace Process and the Celtic Tiger bubble in the first place and Brexit fallout / Recession in the second. Being an old socialist I always think the economy is lurking behind social and racial attitudes.

SamKingston · 20/04/2023 09:43

It's essential to consider the historical context and cultural sensitivities when depicting any group of people. It's possible that the cartoonist didn't intend to offend anyone, but that doesn't necessarily excuse any hurt caused. Moreover, you can always check the historical moments about presidents and politicians at sites like politiq.net. Anyway, it's good that you're raising this issue and starting a conversation about it.

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