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AIBU?

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to think its morally poor not to provide ANY childcare whatsoever as a grandparent, if you are retired and in good health?

957 replies

uniformotxa · 13/04/2023 11:21

I have young dc and no childcare issues aside from the horrendous cost. My parents, like many others I know, enjoy being with dc but it’s pretty much always on their terms. They would take them for a day but it wouldn’t be consistent or reliable so couldn’t make it a regular thing.

Im not sure how I feel about this and on balance I think it’s pretty morally dire. Luckily I can afford childcare and nursery but I perhaps would feel more strongly if I couldn’t. However, whilst it’s easy for me to say this now, I do think I would step up and do some childcare for my dc if they had children. I can’t imagine just letting the days roll by leisurely and not setting aside even one day a week to be a reliable help.

I know in other cultures this is standard and families pull together much more. AIBU to think there is actually a moral obligation here, to make some form of childcare contribution, however small?

OP posts:
Goodoccasionallypoor · 13/04/2023 13:10

Comedycook · 13/04/2023 13:08

I didn't want to keep my daughter when I first found out I was pregnant because I was only 27

Only 27 😂I'm embarrassed for you...you were hardly a teen mum. Grow up and look after your own child. Pathetic

I think this poster's parents also gave her the family home when she had a child so they are mortgage free and own 3 other properties in addition.

RemoteControlDoobry · 13/04/2023 13:11

I’m still baffled by this thread. We’re talking about one day a week aren’t we? Not even the full day….just during work hours. I feel so sad for children whose grandparents don’t seem to see them as very close family. I doubt I’ll have grandchildren but if I ever did, I know I’d see them as an extension of my children and I’d have a responsibility to them.

I spent lots of time with one set of grandparents and was as close to them as I was to my parents. I’d pop round whenever I felt like it. That’s so wonderful for a child and I don’t think my grandparents resented it. I’ve just realised that I never spent any time on my own with my maternal grandmother and I didn’t really feel any love for her.

LoobyDop · 13/04/2023 13:12

One of my parents was so desperate for grandchildren that they promised to do all childcare until the kids started school. I laughed and said don’t be ridiculous, it doesn’t work like that. One of my siblings would appear to have taken them seriously, and frequently summoned them from the other end of the country for days at a time at a moment’s notice. Totally taking the piss, but they shouldn’t have made such a stupid promise!

LemonDrizzleyCake · 13/04/2023 13:12

Also, I will be close to 70 if my kids have children, based on my age now.

Do I want to commit to being tied to childminding a toddler in my 70s?

(I had my own children early-mid 30s and my own children will be mid-late 30s if they have their own.)

No.

I'd be happy to look after them if they wanted a short break for a holiday (which is what my parents did) but not to be tied to regular times.

Thesharkradar · 13/04/2023 13:12

champagnedates · 13/04/2023 12:32

Take the positives....at least you know they won't expect any regular care from you when they get too old to manage independently. They can go in a care home as you won't be expected to give them any regular help.

Silver linings and all that Grin

They WILL expect help because they are of the mindset that they are the boss and you have to obey!
It's up to you to have firm boundaries and remember that they didn't help you so you don't owe them anything

Dacadactyl · 13/04/2023 13:12

I'm very much on the fence on this one. Was your mum/MIL a SAHM by any chance? In my mind, that somewhat changes things to a degree.

My mum (a SAHM) never had help with us from our grandparents (her in laws...my nan was also a SAHM) unless it was on their terms. Her parents were either too far away, ill or dead to help with us.

I was a SAHM and never had help from my parents once I moved away from their area. My in laws lived abroad and never helped either. Now in laws are back locally they only help on their terms.

I can see why people who did the day to day grind of childcare for their own kids for years, are now reluctant to take on the mantle for their grandkids, unless it's all on their terms.

It is hard graft and plenty of adult children take the absolute piss when it comes to their parents and inlaws providing childcare. I can see why some of them decide to set their stall out early on this issue and will only do what suits them.

But I can see how frustrating this must be to working parents.

Yousee · 13/04/2023 13:12

It's only morally repugnant if the detached grandparents then expect their family to be helping them in their old age.
We are a "pay it forward" family. My parents were helped by my grandparents, they then helped my grandparents when they got older, they now help my when my children are young and I will help them when they are older and also with any grandchildren if I am able and needed.
The only moral problem would be if anyone in the chain decided to take help but not give it IMO.

whumpthereitis · 13/04/2023 13:13

sst1234 · 13/04/2023 13:01

You are not wrong OP. But lots is people on here will tell you that the minute your child turns 16, you must throw them out. In fact you must subject them to hunger games because they are an ‘adult’.

No doubt these are the same people dumped in nursing homes to live out the last years of their miserable lives, with the odd visit at Xmas from their children. Oh well, if that’s how they roll.

You’d be surprised. There are plenty of grandparents that fully committed themselves to ‘the village’ that find themselves left to it in a care home once they are no longer useful.

cabbageking · 13/04/2023 13:13

It is a choice, not a moral responsibility to help or not.

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 13/04/2023 13:13

Not their babies, not their problem! They chose to be parents and did their time, they didn't choose to be grandparents. Babies and toddlers are DIFFICULT. They know, they've done it. It always amuses me when people say they decided to have multiple DC close together and can't understand why no grandparent etc wants to regularly take on 3 under 5 or whatever. They think they should enjoy their grandkids but there is zero enjoyment in looking after multiple young children in your 60's or above. Its a battle to survive the day 😂.

Goodoccasionallypoor · 13/04/2023 13:13

RemoteControlDoobry · 13/04/2023 13:11

I’m still baffled by this thread. We’re talking about one day a week aren’t we? Not even the full day….just during work hours. I feel so sad for children whose grandparents don’t seem to see them as very close family. I doubt I’ll have grandchildren but if I ever did, I know I’d see them as an extension of my children and I’d have a responsibility to them.

I spent lots of time with one set of grandparents and was as close to them as I was to my parents. I’d pop round whenever I felt like it. That’s so wonderful for a child and I don’t think my grandparents resented it. I’ve just realised that I never spent any time on my own with my maternal grandmother and I didn’t really feel any love for her.

Yes, but apparently spending a day with a grandchild is akin to cleaning someone else's toilet and washing their clothes so I don't think some posters are looking for that loving bond.

Kanaloa · 13/04/2023 13:14

Comedycook · 13/04/2023 13:08

I didn't want to keep my daughter when I first found out I was pregnant because I was only 27

Only 27 😂I'm embarrassed for you...you were hardly a teen mum. Grow up and look after your own child. Pathetic

I thought this. I had four by that age 😂 I’m barely older now - and I manage okay to be honest! Of course everyone manages differently but it seems odd to be saying you need 6 days of free childcare per week since you were ‘only 27’ when you had a baby.

Simonjt · 13/04/2023 13:14

After spending 25 years getting both our children to adulthood, working for at least 45 I will certainly not being providing free childcare. As someone their 30’s I can imagine doing it, as a 67+ year old, no thank you.

Kanaloa · 13/04/2023 13:15

Goodoccasionallypoor · 13/04/2023 13:13

Yes, but apparently spending a day with a grandchild is akin to cleaning someone else's toilet and washing their clothes so I don't think some posters are looking for that loving bond.

Not spending a day with your grandchild. Being expected to provide regular free childcare. That is in line with being asked to provide other free services.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 13/04/2023 13:15

I think a lot depends on what they’ve said and been like pre-grandchildren.

The only time I’ve ever felt strongly like someone was out of order as a GP was a friend who fell pregnant and her husband left. She was going to terminate as she felt it would be too much to do solo.

Her parents were newly retired and absolutely promised her the world in help. They pushed a lot as they were desperate for grandkids.

they then repeatedly let her down. That’s not fair. And it wasn’t a case of promising help then health got in the way or anything. Just changed their minds.

My MiL is very hands on with her GC, which I love, but she she finds it much harder work with the ones she feels obliged to have than the ones she doesn’t. I can understand that.

bengalcat · 13/04/2023 13:15

No , your kids are your responsibility .

Oblomov23 · 13/04/2023 13:15

Nope. If you can't afford to have children, don't have them. No help here, both parents lived too far away.

JingleBellez · 13/04/2023 13:16

ur kids

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 13/04/2023 13:16

YABU.

LemonDrizzleyCake · 13/04/2023 13:17

@RemoteControlDoobry It depends on the circumstances. My friends in their 60s do not want to be tied and have to opt out of social arrangements, because one day or more per week is allocated to childminding.

Also, my friends all still have elderly parents to care for. They end up worn out in their late 60s because they are still running after everyone else. OR they are still working!

There seems to be this assumption that all people aged 55 or over are retired and just there to be a childminder!

Most of my friends are professionals and were/ are working even p/t well into their 60s.

Resilience · 13/04/2023 13:19

I was brought up equally by my parents and one set of grandparents who lived a mile away from my home. My mother had a life-limiting health condition with regular flare-ups which meant I stated with GPs regularly. As a child my family were skint but I never knew that and didn't really realise how unwell my mother was until she died when I was 18. Her illness was never allowed to impact my childhood other than fostering a caring but resilient approach to obstacles in life. I'd describe my childhood as pretty idyllic really. I knew I was loved and cherished. I was happy and secure with so many people I could turn to.

I really, really wanted that for my own DC but sadly my parents and grandparents all died before I had my own children (twins) with a man who also had no family and whom I subsequently left when the babies were newborn (he turned out to be abusive once I was pregnant). He's not been involved since. I had a lot more advantages than many single parents because I have great friends and a reasonably well-paid job but I felt/feel so, so sad for my children missing out on the sort of grandparents experience that I had. I was also exhausted from doing everything myself so much of the time.

I like to think I protected my now adult DC from the harsh realities single parenthood can bring in the same way I was protected by my own family about my mother's illness. But I recognise that it would have been hard for my mother to provide that protection and that she could not have done it without my dad and my grandparents. I know how much it cost me to try to cushion my own DC in the same way and the nights I sat up til the early hours working, trying to ensure I could pay the mortgage, feed us and still send them on that school trip when I could only afford 4 days childcare not 5.

My DC tell me they have great memories of their early childhood. I remember fond moments but an awful lot of stress. I'm glad they didn't pick up on it but a part of me feels a bit cheated of just being able to enjoy them.

Whether I'll become a grandmother remains to be seen. If I do, whether my DC live close enough to play an active role also remains to be seen. If I'm still working myself and whether I'm fit enough to look after children are other variables. There's a lot that can influence the future. However, what I do know is that if I'm able to be closely involved in my grandchildren's lives nothing will stop me from doing just that.

I love my DC. Wanting to look after them and protect them doesn't change once they're adults. They are remarkably self sufficient young people who don't take me for granted and are very caring and considerate so I know they won't take the piss. I want to remain close to them as we all get older and I want them to enjoy their own DC as much as they can, not struggle as I did. I can provide regular childcare and still have my own life and be free to travel when I choose. It's fine to refuse, but relationship quality is set by the effort you put into them in my view. Not seeing /communicating regularly with your DGC is bound to result in a less close relationship than one where you're significantly involved. That said, quality not quantity also matters.

I've never subscribed to the view that the past was a perfect place. Some families are frankly awful and best escaped from and women in particular were often stifled and overburdened. However, when families worked well this really benefited mothers and children. Successive governments have encouraged people to move to chase jobs, and in doing so have decimated extended families and all the support they offer. They have not filled that gap with affordable childcare or supported initiatives aimed at promoting new social support networks. Family doesn't have to mean blood or traditional structure. It could be a close group of friends. Regardless, it's largely mothers and children who suffer for a lack of support in my opinion. I don't want that to include my own DC and DGC when I can do something about it and in turn experience the joy of close family relationships without the downsides of regular sleepless nights etc.

We're all different but so get what you're saying OP. I just wouldn't phrase it in terms of morality as there's nothing immoral about putting yourself first in your later years, particularly if you've made many sacrifices beforehand. It's a choice that's all.

LemonDrizzleyCake · 13/04/2023 13:19

Why do posters start these AIBU threads and never come back to engage with the topic they started?

SchoolQuestionnaire · 13/04/2023 13:19

It’s absolutely not morally wrong to not want to take on childcare for grandchildren.

My dm and pil were always great with our kids and often stepped up to help in an emergency or on an ad-hoc basis. I plan to do the same. My dm did take care of my eldest once a week so I could return to work initially, but I became a sahm before dc2 was born as I knew it would be too much for her to take care of two little ones even then when she was in her fifties.

My dsis only recently had her first when my dm was 69. Dm wanted to do the same for dsis as me so offered to have dc1 once a week. This soon graduated to twice a week, plus a Saturday morning and so on, even though dm was still working too. If she wanted to go on holiday my dsis would be upset as she struggled to find alternative help. My dm loved having the little one and wanted to help but was really struggling as she just wasn’t as able as she used to be and as we later found out was seriously ill. We lost her recently. I don’t blame dsis but my mum definitely delayed seeking help for her illness because she didn’t want to let dsis or work down. Her being on hand also allowed dsis’s partner to pretty much abdicate all responsibility for his dc.

A similar situation happened with pil and his dsis. They practically raised her dc (had them every weekend and summer holiday) which left them with far less energy and inclination to help with ours and dbil’s dc, although to be fair they were still always quick to offer to help if required.

Witnessing this has really soured me. I want to help my dc but I also want to enjoy my retirement with no regrets, something that my dm didn’t have the chance to do. When the time comes we will offer to help with childcare costs instead and will of course be emergency backup as required and take the dc out often. But if one of my dc ever decided that my not committing to regular childcare was ‘morally dire’ I would think them selfish and spiteful and be far less inclined to help.

Goodoccasionallypoor · 13/04/2023 13:19

LemonDrizzleyCake · 13/04/2023 13:19

Why do posters start these AIBU threads and never come back to engage with the topic they started?

Because they have to tend to their bridges.

PrinnyPaupersPurse · 13/04/2023 13:21

"Yes, but apparently spending a day with a grandchild is akin to cleaning someone else's toilet and washing their clothes so I don't think some posters are looking for that loving bond."

I have a very loving bond with my grand children thank you. I face time them every single day, sometimes several times a day. They come to my house two evenings a week and for most of Sunday for dinner ( with their parents). I have them for a full Saturday every 4-6 weeks on my own. I just don't want to commit to every morning from 8 until nursery drop off at 1. I don't even want to commit to one day a week doing that as the nursery is 7 miles from me. I did suggest that should they want me to do that 2 days a week, the nursery could be the school next to my house but that's not convenient. So it's ok for ME to drive 7 miles there and back twice a week. But it's not ok for the parents to drive 7 miles there and back 3 times a week? Funny how that works isn't it?