Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

Main benefit time personally? It finally convinced me that over half the population are ignorant selfish twits who I can despise at my leisure - and do.

I don't see much in the way of brexit regret. Most leave voters in know would crawl through a sewage (oh the irony) to vote Leave again. I think any shift in the polls isn't Leave voters changing their minds (it's too late anyway, they've done their damage) it's them dying off.

Gaslighting is a term that is massively over and mis-used these days. But implying people are mentally ill for asking reasonable questions is almost the very definition of it.

I think we all know Brexit was a mistake. People voted for lies, and by the time they found out about the lies it was too late.

Personally I think a large part of the vote was driven by the refugee crisis, the media photos of thousands of young men gathering at Calais and reports of their behaviour towards European women, plus EU threats to make us accept a quota of them. People went “well if we leave the EU they can’t make us take any of them” and voted leave.

So you didn't realise I wasn't born a "Sir"?

"we did just fine in the 70's"

Britain joined the EEC on 1st January 1973 after a period of GDP decline between 1945 to 1972.

Do these threads actually help anyone? It's not as though we will be rejoining.

It doesn’t have to be rejoin it could be SM / CU

Labour have ruled it out, they reused the Brexit line

They really want the Brexit voter. Starmer is more a remainer so it’s not a belief thing.

It must be that they are the votes they think can be the difference between losing and winning.

Also appreciate views on age in polls and where remain voters are going etc

I think in 40-50 years we'll be better off than if we had remained, it was always going to be a long term thing and not something that can really be measured because "better off" is such a subjective thing. Financially better off? No way, not for decades. But the sense of liberation in not being shackled by EU rules, both current and future, that's an unquantifiable but valuable thing to some.

The EU referendum - like the devolution referendums, like the AV referendum, like the Scottish independence referendums - was unlike a normal Westminster election because it gave the public the chance to shape society over the long term.

With a normal election you know the party who wins only has a few years to prove their worth, this leads to short-termism and an unwillingness to tackle big issues with immediate pain but no benefit until the politicians involved have long since retired. Why do something that will wreck your popularity and have no benefit until the 2050s? There's no incentive.

A referendum gives us the chance to decide a new direction for the country. That's why they should only be called occasionally and why they should be thought through properly. The political establishment had no intention of fulfilling a Leave vote because they wouldn't believe it was possible - if Cameron thought Leave might win, there's no way he'd have called the referendum.

Brexit voters were lied to, sure, not because of bullshit messages written on the side of buses, but by the whole political system which gave the illusion of handing power to the people.

How will things be better, in concrete terms? It'll be a decade probably before anything is really better, and many decades before we're better off overall. It's a long game - if people more generally voted for the long game instead of immediate benefit, maybe the NHS would get sorted and we wouldn't lunge from crisis to crisis regardless of which party is in power.

If that graph was MN posters (just look at this thread) it would already show 99% in favour of remain/rejoin

The vote on this thread is around 75%/25% so your claim isn’t true. It’s broadly speaking similar to the graph I posted.

I don’t see a ton of mud slinging either, sure, people are very concerned about the direction of this country and are worried about the future, but that’s understandable.

We've had more covid deaths per capita than most, and it was an EU law that allowed the MHRA to authorise the vaccines on a rolling review. June Raines of the MHRA has said so, frequently.

The facts are the facts.

The trouble is, you have to deny reality to think that Brexit is a good idea, so that opens the door for all kinds of nonsense.

It explains what's contributing to why we are doing badly but what it does show is that its not just because of brexit. Brexit maybe a partial factor to why we are doing badly but its not the only factor and its one factor out of several so it is a significant factor.

The only way to say brexit is the only reason why life is shit today you have to take away all the other factors affecting both us and other G7 countries. Then you can truly say its because of brexit. But brexit is definately not the reason why our energy prices have increased. Inflation is also not the fault of brexit either. These are the biggest factors why our cost of living has gone significantly up.

I find it quite baffling that people seem to think Brexit was a one off event years ago. Did they or do they not understand that a. It would take so long to fully Brexit (changing all EU laws to U.K. for example) that it would be on the national To Do list for years; and b. It would put the country into a indefinite underperforming state that would necessitate ongoing discussion of what to do about it?

Did Leavers really believe the Brexit effects conversation would ever have a full stop?

It’s not asking the question that’s the problem. It’s asking the same question over and over and over again.

Jonei - These threads never help anyone. They are usually started because the remoaners on the brexit board are fed up of talking to each other or someone has annoyed the OP in real life and they want to take their frustrations out on randomers on the internet.

Same old same old every time.

With a normal election you know the party who wins only has a few years to prove their worth, this leads to short-termism and an unwillingness to tackle big issues with immediate pain but no benefit until the politicians involved have long since retired. Why do something that will wreck your popularity and have no benefit until the 2050s? There's no incentive.

This is absolutely true and this is what needs to be tackled. This is how the current Tories have managed to ruin things in little more than a decade with their crash and burn politics and economics. Some things need taking out of party political control and put in the hands of people who know what they are talking about, rather than the latest yes wo/man favoured by the current leader. Health, education and infrastructure, for example. The whole system is completely rotten.

We have to wait two generations for benefits? Crikey, that's long term.

We were never shackled by EU rules - we were part of the decision making process and voted MEPs in to represent us. Many of the rules coming out of the EU were to the massive benefit of British citizens, employees and our environment. e.g. Working time regulations, environmental standards, food safety standards.

Very grown up response.

I think we're all aware by now that Brexit has provided no benefits whatsoever for the average man or woman in the street. On the contrary, it has in fact made life more difficult for a lot of people and far more restricted for everyone.

The irony is that an awful lot of people voted Leave on an anti-immigration ticket. The upshot has been that we now have far more people entering the country from France (in "small boats") than ever before, no doubt mainly because we are no longer in the EU and therefore can no longer invoke the Dublin Regulation and send incomers back to France.

Yes I think this sums it up.

If it's so routine here then finding answers to the OPs original question should be easy.

Personally I bitterly regret the passing of the steam trains. And I used to prefer getting water from the well,,too.

Honestly, I’ve got no idea about UK issues as I live abroad, but I am fucked off about the fact that I’d love to buy a house in Italy or France but don’t automatically have the right to live there any more.

What a about the 25% of people who didn't even vote? What are they?

No, I don’t believe Leavers ever thought that. No do I think Leavers thought it would be easy, that our EU membership money would all be spent in the NHS or it would stop brown people coming to the UK. These are all things Remainers say we think.