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Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:40

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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Redebs · 12/04/2023 10:13

Brexit lies

Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:14

RJ57 · 12/04/2023 10:13

And I'm out of this thread. Its just degenerated into name calling and bitching.

MumsNet can be a pretty unpleasant place at times sadly.

All Brexit threads end up like this sadly as there is only one acceptable view on MN.

Cappucinoaddict · 12/04/2023 10:15

I’m Not sure Brexit is the issue, the fact the government seems to have a whole orchard of money trees to use as and when they want (deals for friends , expenses for MPs, 8 million on portraits of Charles etc) is the real issue. As long as they can keep us all occupied arguing and fighting about those claiming benefits they are laughing

Newmum0322 · 12/04/2023 10:16

Brefugee · 12/04/2023 10:10

I was quoting you for the fallacious argument about the vaccine. Which came about because of a wide lack of understanding of how the EU works.

I illustrated that be pointing out that the UK had never needed to continue to pay benefits to unemployed EU citizens. Because that was/is anotget widely misunderstood "EU rule" that many in the UK thought was "a thing" that actually wasn't.

@brefugee

Sorry there were too many grammatical errors to make sense of the second half of your post so I can’t fully respond.

But you’re correct, I did say that the vaccine rollout was ‘arguably a benefit’. And you quoted me to indeed prove my point… that it could indeed be argued the other way.

Excellent use of our time, thanks.

Outerlimit · 12/04/2023 10:16

Worldgonecrazy · 12/04/2023 08:59

Im still waiting for benefits to trickle down.

what annoys me most is if the voting had been split 49%/51% the other way, we would have been bombarded with an endless barrage of ‘we demand a recount/new vote’.

It is suggested by some that the narrow margin was achieved by some folks with EU passports voting Leave because they felt that their own best interests were served by denying Freedom of Movement to others that they would continue to enjoy.

GPTec1 · 12/04/2023 10:17

Arapawa · 12/04/2023 10:10

You do know that there are exactly the same issues in EU as in UK right? Shortage of lorry drivers, shortage of hospitality staff, nurses and teachers striking? Inflation etc etc. We spend a lot of time in EU - various countries from Germany, Denmark, France, Spain, Netherlands and for the past 2/3 years all these countries have been suffering the same as the UK. Netherlands inflation is horrendous - much worse than UK.

No they don't, i live in France much of the time and the issues here are nothing like what you have in the UK, we have some staff issues but we don't have empty sumpermarkets, high inflation and a collapsed health service.

You guys put up with the most expensive energy in the world, in fact you keep voting to be ripped off.

Inflation in Holland is 8%, UK 10%, EuroZone down to 6.3%, Germany 9%.

More Tory spin i'm afraid, paint everyone with the same brush and hope it sticks is the only plan left for such a corrupt Govt - NAO report states 58 billion lost in fraud over 3 years.

£58 fucking billion!!!!!!!!!!

Redebs · 12/04/2023 10:17

Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:14

All Brexit threads end up like this sadly as there is only one acceptable view on MN.

So you can't handle a discussion where people disagree with you? Blame Mumsnet?

QuentininQuarantino · 12/04/2023 10:17

@MarshaBradyo also perhaps because the figures are not drastic enough for any political party (except libdems maybe) to take the risk of nailing their colours to a mast. Labour is treading gently, talking about improving relationships with eu neighbours. It is clear that statistically support for Brexit is waning, but it is not a dramatic swing. ìnteresting data from WhatUKThinks here.

As the table shows, although the tories are slowly losing their support among leave voters, they are not gaining it in remain voters. Labour is, but not drastically enough for them to risk leaping off the fence. It looks like the Lib dem remainers are going over to labour, possibly as the most likely to unseat cons and because LibDem is no longer able to back a second referendum now that brexit is "done."

Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:18

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 10:05

Why isn’t any party capitalising on this with votes?

Because -
it's not a one party issue (except for tiny parties)
Even if we had a referendum to rejoin tomorrow it would be many years (longer than a parliament) before we could

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 10:19

RJ57 · 12/04/2023 10:13

And I'm out of this thread. Its just degenerated into name calling and bitching.

MumsNet can be a pretty unpleasant place at times sadly.

I appreciated your post re CPTPP

I heard an interesting piece re BRICS overtaking G7 the other day, the world is changing

I voted remain but I prefer to hear from leave voters too

Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:20

Redebs · 12/04/2023 10:17

So you can't handle a discussion where people disagree with you? Blame Mumsnet?

Very happy to debate issues, but on here Brexit threads are just mud slinging.

BestIsWest · 12/04/2023 10:20

I’m with you OP. Still fucking furious tbh.

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/04/2023 10:20

SparklingChampagneAndStrawberries · Today 07:59
Bore off, this has been done to death”

No, it really hasn’t. We’ll all have to live with the disastrous consequences of that stupid vote for years. It needs to be discussed. People need to understand and acknowledge how wrong they were. Only then can we work towards rejoining, which we will, eventually.

Lampzade · 12/04/2023 10:20

CalistoNoSolo · 12/04/2023 07:49

I'm with you OP. A monumental act of national self harm and still the brexiters can't talk about how awful things have become. I love that they are already out questioning your mental health too.

Deflection and gaslighting being employed by some posters rather than admit that we have been conned by those who are supposed to have our interest at heart.

In the words of Ronald Reagan ‘ We ain’t seen nothing yet’

Passthechocolatesplease · 12/04/2023 10:21

Totally agree OP, there are no benefits, it was a disastrous mistake built on a foundation of lies.
You only have to read the headlines to see where the UK is heading, even Russia with all the sanctions is doing better!
We have every right to be worried as we watch the impact on families and fear for the life our children and grandchildren will have. Its not all due to Brexit I admit, but it certainly no done us any favours or enhanced our standing in the world as a whole.

Felixss · 12/04/2023 10:23

My wages have risen quite a lot because of the worker shortages. That's it. Personally it doesn't affect me as I can get a permanent visa for all the Anglosphere countries which is where I would naturally move. I wouldn't retire to Europe , I've always travelled more outside EU so visas don't bother me. My cleaners are British and I pay more also for tradesman. I don't mind people should be appropriately compensated for their work.

I'm remain but my life hasn't changed at all from the path I was going to take. I would like closer integration with the Anglosphere to be honest.

Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:25

Lonelycrab · 12/04/2023 10:03

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, MN is an echo chamber of hatred for leave and leavers

Thing is, it’s not really. This graph shows a clear trend. How long before 75% see it as a mistake, and a mere 20% still think it was the right decision? Probably a year or two, looking at that trajectory.

Hardly some echo chamber.

If that graph was MN posters (just look at this thread) it would already show 99% in favour of remain/rejoin. Threads on here are not for discussing any issues, they are just mud slinging.

BrimFire · 12/04/2023 10:26

Redebs · 12/04/2023 10:13

Brexit lies

See I still don’t get the “ lies” about this. Is it the amount or something else? The wording says “ let’s” which to me reads as a suggestion not a promise.

verdantverdure · 12/04/2023 10:27

I was genuinely upset reading this in the FT yesterday:

"We have spent more than 200 years building our business, fought for 30 years against the global textile trend of moving to the Far East and have now been killed off by our own side in a couple of years. We all lose."

Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Newmum0322 · 12/04/2023 10:29

@QuentininQuarantino it wasn’t an insult. It was a response to the poster who quoted me and made irrelevant remarks completely unrelated to my post, which she quoted. That’s why it was nonsensical! The content would have been perfectly adequate, perhaps even fair, had it not been made in response to my earlier, completely unrelated post.

Dreamstate · 12/04/2023 10:29

Let's still blame brexit for everything and ignore what's happening globally. The global economy isn't in great shape, plenty of EU and international countries suffering from rampant inflation too. We've just had a major bank (Credit Suisse) getting a bailout recently, trying to avoid another banking collapse. There are bigger things going on that if they come to pass will dwarf brexit.

And the cost of living increase is down to rising inflation - which is not a brexit issue as inflation has been rising globally due to supply and demand issues post pandemic.

Our energy bills have increased significantly when Russia invaded Ukraine. That isn't down to brexit. We placed sanctions on Russia so we end up importing less oil from Russia. So we then have to get it from somewhere else and so do all the other countries in the EU who placed sanctions on Russia too. So if you have fewer sources and more demand of course prices are going to increases.

Rising energy costs put inflationary pressure on other goods and services because the cost to produce the goods or provide the services is higher.
For example, the cost of food might increase as a result of higher energy costs due to the higher costs of refining and transporting the item to your grocery store.

Then the bank of england has to respond to the rising inflation and then puts up interest rates which affects your mortgage costs makes borrowing more expensive. They have to do this because when people have less money to spend, they buy fewer things, reducing the demand for goods and slowing price rises.

So its simply demand supply problems post pandemic thats been fueling global inflation.

But hey lets blame the current state of our cost of living on brexit when reality its because of the pandemic.

RubiesAndRaindrops · 12/04/2023 10:30

I voted remain, but according to my parents (who voted leave, born 1949 & 1950 respectively & read the Telegraph so that's that stereotype box ticked lol), sovereignty is the benefit & we did just fine in the 70's we will do so again just needs a bit more time. Oh & the Covid vaccine was rolled out quicker/we've had fewer deaths because we weren't in the EU or something. Whilst I'm not personally optimistic what's done is done and I very much hope that my pessimism about the future is misplaced.

Windingdown · 12/04/2023 10:31

Dreamstate · 12/04/2023 10:30

Here go read up on it yourself if you think its all bs:

None of this explains why Britain is doing so badly compared to other G7 nations.

verdantverdure · 12/04/2023 10:34

It's not people who voted for Brexit seven years ago I'm interested in.

They were lied to.

Most of them realise that now and are no longer in favour of Brexit. Fair enough. So far so logical.

It's the ones who can see the state of our country the same as I can.

Who can see we are forecast to do worse than Russia over the next 18 months.

And still would rather have Brexit than fix it.

I don't understand.

I thought Brexit was about patriotism and making Britain Great again.

Not trampling Britain down into the gutter.

Why would anyone want this for our country?

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