Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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What is worrying you so much, about Brexit specifically? Times are a bit shit, but Brexit didn’t cause COVID, the war in Russia, gas prices etc… I could understand worrying about all of that. But why Brexit?

Because we’ve gone from the fastest growing economy in the west just before the referendum to one of the poorest performing of the major economies in 2023 despite all being subject to the same stresses - Covid, inflation, utility crisis + Russia.

4% drop in GDP, lack of inward investment and loss of existing investment, businesses struggling with impact of Brexit. That is a fuck up of entirely our own making.

There are no benefits, yet many leave voters still seem quite happy with this. That's what I find baffling.

My DH owns a small business and sells his products in the EU. Brexit has cost him thousands and thousands of pounds in extra fees and admin and has brought no advantages whatsoever. He's just had to let a few of his staff go because of this. So now people are out of work for totally avoidable reasons and what happens then? They need to claim benefits, thus costing the country more. Madness.

Pop Quiz - how many people did we send back to France while we were in the EU?

We have spent an obscene amount of money on Brexit... money the U.K. could really do with now. Please do not make someone feel like they have a mental health problem because they want to know the benefits. If there were lots they'd be peppered throughout this thread. Let's be honest Brexit has destroyed many people's businesses and lives. The world was going WTF after we voted leave and the only people who really benefited are those who bet against the economy. Brexit is a disaster. It wasn't thought through properly and was put on the table by Cameron so he could stay in power then when it got voted through he ran away because a) he didn't expect it and b) he had no fucking plan for what to do next!

They are not happy , but can’t bring themselves to admit that they were sold a pup which has and will continue to be disastrous for Britain.

@Neededanewuserhandle if you voted leave just talk about the benefits? Please!

It will get better as the economy starts to rebalance.

We are taking the pain of that process at the moment. Some peoples living standards/wages are already increasing significantly due to less competition in the labour pool. Money is being transferred from the middle class to the working class.

As businesses begin to exploit opportunities produced by Brexit our economy will pivot from Europe to having a more global outlook.

My guess is the process will be complete in around 5 years from now.

Or is it repeatedly not getting a coherent answer?

I don't know. I really do think some are genuinely happy to suffer in the name of being "independent" and "shackle free" from the EU. They almost take pride in suffering for what they see as the greater good. Although what this greater good is they can't seem to define.

No real benefits and plenty of harm.

The bore off/yawn etc posters can ignore the thread, surely. We generally learn through experience and avoid mistakes of the past so it’s useful to reflect on what the outcomes of this vote have been.

I wish the remain campaign had had a bus slogan about the McDonald’s milkshake shortage. It would maybe have done the trick.

What are you actually expecting to see on a personal level?
The main changes Brexit brought with it were to do with law making, governing, import/export and savings on the membership fee.

If your only counterclaim is "where's all the money for the NHS?" then you clearly haven't bothered to do any research. If you look it up, you'd see that from the tax year 2019/20 to 2022/23 the NHS budget has increased by over 15%, which is around £30 billion a year extra. This does not include the additional £50 billion during the main Covid spike in 2020/21.

You also need to understand that the current inflation, knock back effects from the war in Ukraine, gas/electric price changes, food prices changes has no correlation with Brexit, and are separate things.

The UK government has never given out so many hand outs than they have in the last few years, from protecting businesses and jobs during Covid, to the energy price guarantee, to increasing minimum wage dramatically, to all the cost of living handouts.

So please tell me, what else you are waiting to happen?

This would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

Money is being transferred from the middle class to the working class. @GasPanic what planet are you on?!

I have always felt that Brexit was about immigration and Remain failed to see that and address it. They were wittering on about economic consequences, while the Leave voters were thinking “so what, I don’t own a company and if it makes my greedy boss a bit poorer that’s fine by me”.

Meanwhile they were seeing photos of what was happening in Calais, and seeing more countries joining the EU and their workers immediately flooding into the UK under freedom of movement (it had already happened with Poland and at the time of the vote they were threatening to let Turkey join the EU too). So people voted for the government to have the power to put a stop to it.

If Remain had said “we actually have more power to control immigration if we stay in the EU” then I think the outcome would have been different.

Pop Quiz - how many people did we send back to France while we were in the EU?

But we could have sent them back while we were in the EU. That we didn't had nothing at all to do with the EU and everything to do with our own, imcompetent government.

Out of interest, and I'm asking because I genuinely do not know the answer, how many migrants have we deported since Brexit and how does this compare to pre-Brexit?

I vaguely remember reading something that said net migration was up since Brexit, is this not the case?

Threads on here are not for discussing any issues, they are just mud slinging.

I've just read the whole thread and this is completely untrue.

There have been a couple of posters who have genuinely engaged with OP and given the reasons that they voted leave. No mud has been slung at them.

If anything it is the reverse, the number of poster who have criticised the OPs mental health has outweighed the number who have 'bashed brexit'.

These discussions are important. Accusing those who disagree with you of mudslinging is an attempt to stifle discussion.

I think we'll be back in within 20 years. The EU have always made it clear we're welcome (though of course we'll be on less favourable terms), and as far as I can tell the groundswell towards people realising what we've lost and wanting back in has already started.

Brexit wasn’t sensible. However the biggest issue with Britain is how wealth is divided in this country.
We are a country with lots of very, very wealthy individuals (compared to other developed nations)
We are a country with a below average middle (compared to most other developed nations).
We are a country with lots of relative poverty (compared to most most other developed nations)

The few major politicians who have sought to address this (spiralling) inequality are (since the 80s) labelled socialists by the Tory press and the electorate vote against them.

Needless to say Starmer will not address this fundamental issue when he wins the next election. Which is largely why he will win the next election.

The £350 million a week for our NHS (sarcasm). I still can't believe people fell for it.

I was just thinking about this yesterday and remembering the emotional cries of 'we've got our country back' from some racists corners of the Brexiteer camp. That turned out well, didn't it?!

Imo we will never rejoin. Previously we had special terms and kept our own currency. But if we rejoin they’ll demand we have the Euro. Which British people will never accept because it’s too big of a sacrifice and too much of a risk.

Haven’t read the full thread but presumably the UK could reapply for EU membership…since things aren’t going too well…

I haven't read all of the replies but I assume it will take a lot longer for the full impact of Brexit to be established (be that negative or positive). Currently seems mostly negative and I can't think of a good news story to be honest but I don't know whether things will look the same (negative) in 5 years or 10 years or whether there will be any positives to emerge. It's a bit like a messy divorce at the moment but maybe things will get a bit more rational as they settle down. Who knows?! Perhaps in 30 years time it will still be shown to have been a huge disaster or perhaps it will have been a good thing. No idea.