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Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:40

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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Arapawa · 12/04/2023 09:58

You know we have just come through a pandemic plus we have a cost of living crisis OP? Germany (still in the EU) and mega manufacturers are doing VERY slightly better than the UK.

Andanotherone01 · 12/04/2023 10:00

Do you think any political party, whether it is Labour, Conservative, LD, Green or the European Parliament actually gives a fuck about you or any of us 'down on the ground'? I suggest you take your worry and fearfulness and refocus it into anger.

CosyFanTucci · 12/04/2023 10:00

Only two groups of winners, as I mentioned in another thread: people working in the trades, builders, truck drivers etc who no longer compete with Europeans and can now name their price. And millionaire Tories, including MPs, who off-shore their money. This is the group that is pissing themselves laughing at the gullible idiots who voted for Brexit and against their own interests.

Absolutely no-one else got what they were expecting. Immigration from non-EU countries and those arriving by boat is up, NHS is on its knees, it's more expensive and complicated to do business, investment has been lost, inflation is up, our privileges and protections are being removed, pollution is up. And so on and on. Without wishing to insult them, I don't think the people who voted for Brexit realise how deeply they are despised.

HappiestSleeping · 12/04/2023 10:02

N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:50

No don’t need help, a perfectly functioning adult. Just very worried and hoping I don’t need to be,that I’m missing some huge advantages that will outweigh the negatives.

There are none. Unless you call it a benefit that those who voted to stay can now say "I told you so". None if that helps, or is in any way constructive though, so as others have said we all need to just deal with what we've got. There's no going back now. It's shit, and will be shit for a long while.

Lonelycrab · 12/04/2023 10:03

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, MN is an echo chamber of hatred for leave and leavers

Thing is, it’s not really. This graph shows a clear trend. How long before 75% see it as a mistake, and a mere 20% still think it was the right decision? Probably a year or two, looking at that trajectory.

Hardly some echo chamber.

Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?
Newmum0322 · 12/04/2023 10:04

Brefugee · 12/04/2023 09:42

go on, i'll bite. What was nonsensical. It has been clear for ages that the vaccine rollout (which was good to start with then stalled a little then picked up again) could have been done in the UK if they had still been in the UK.

what about sending back unemployed people is nonsensical? what about saying that people in the UK clearly didn't know that much about the benefits of being in the EU were?

You will note from this thread that i have actually been trying quite bloody hard - and have had limited success - in pointing out Brexit benefits. Not just "you stink" type of school yard replies.

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It was nonsensical because you quoted me, for reasons I’m unclear about, and proceeded to talk about sending home unemployed people etc… a comment with no relevance to my post.

I am a ‘remainer’… but I acknowledge that Brexit has been neither significantly detrimental nor beneficial to my day to day life. You're response didn’t address that.

HannibalHeyes · 12/04/2023 10:04

I see the new Brexshitteer attack line is "it's over, you should seek help if you can't get over it". Even though it's obviously an ongoing destruction of the country. (And wait 'til they bring in the rest of the restrictions in October - you ain't seen nothing yet)

I guess it's better than "we won, you lost, get over it".

Still a load of bollocks though...

ilikepinknblue · 12/04/2023 10:04

FourTeaFallOut · 12/04/2023 08:25

What's that alternative, just drag a huge sack of resentment through life with you? You could call it the, "I was right" bag and it wouldn't weigh any less.

It's not a sack of resentment. People's living standards have gone down and they have a right to demand how long before things start improving. Leaving a country is not easy, so what options those whose lives are impacted have?

Should people in every country where governments are corrupt move on and not speak up as it is similar to carrying resentment. Brexit is not something happened in past, it is impacting economy, living standards even now and will continue to do so, so it is nice to know how and when it will benefit or should people start emigrating like people from developing countries do as they cant control the policies but atleast they can improve their lives by moving abroad.

RiktheButler · 12/04/2023 10:05

Seriously, why does someone feel the need to start a Brexit thread every sodding day?

Lancasterel · 12/04/2023 10:05

SweetSakura · 12/04/2023 07:55

There are no benefits. All the brexiteers have gone very quiet.

This. There are no benefits. All the people being defensive over it wouldn’t need to be if they could list good things that have come from
Brexit! It’s a disaster…

QuentininQuarantino · 12/04/2023 10:05

Newmum0322 · 12/04/2023 09:37

‘Sick and bloody tired’!

Sit down and take a take a breather then, because that response was nonsensical.

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It was measured, and true.

Insults, however, are the last resort of the insecure.

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 10:05

Lonelycrab · 12/04/2023 10:03

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, MN is an echo chamber of hatred for leave and leavers

Thing is, it’s not really. This graph shows a clear trend. How long before 75% see it as a mistake, and a mere 20% still think it was the right decision? Probably a year or two, looking at that trajectory.

Hardly some echo chamber.

Why isn’t any party capitalising on this with votes?

FurElsie · 12/04/2023 10:07

ImAvingOops · 12/04/2023 08:42

I think it gets better when we have a government who invests in this country.
I voted for Brexit - I took a view that the EU is too big, too unwieldy, resistant to change and is a useful place for politicians to hide. It provided a nice gravy train for failed domestic politicians of all member nations. I believe that you still be true. What I was hoping for was that leaving would force our own politicians to be more accountable - to invest in training our own citizens instead of relying on cheap labour from abroad that puts our own employees at a disadvantage and exploit's foreign workers.

Where I went wrong was in giving our politicians too much credit, in thinking they would rise instead of just continuing to be self serving. And that they would be replaced if they didn't rise. Our govt knew that leaving was a real possibility and did nothing to prepare for it - didn't invest in training dentists/doctors etc.

In short, it's failed because of the calibre of our politicians.

I really appreciate you giving your thoughts, and they sound pretty reasonable to me - though I voted remain I weighed up the issues you mention while deciding.
There have been a few genuine answers among the vultures, for the rest of you, if you don't have/want to answer why don't you just scroll on by. Such a massive change in our politics/economy deserves analysis for many years to come.

ItWillWash · 12/04/2023 10:07

@MarshaBradyo

One reason could be the people who vote in online polls are young. The people who vote in elections are middle-aged and elderly.

diflasu · 12/04/2023 10:07

FourTeaFallOut · 12/04/2023 08:00

I voted remain.

If I could be arsed, I'd be cross with Cameron for calling a referendum to pacify his back benchers. I'm cross with the lack luster remain campaign that took for granted the result and were lazy about their messaging. I'm cross with the mass media who lived in such an incestuous bubble with the establishment that they were utterly rocked by the result - if they had spent any time doing their job as the fourth estate and were prepared to air the concerns of those who felt utterly failed by the status quo - then perhaps we wouldn't have got to the point that a referendum was the first time they could register their protest in a meaningful way.

But I can't be arsed. Life goes on.

This is a really good summary of where I am as well.

Anyway - just after it all went through there was a time line suggested via media form brexiteers - 50 years. I'll likely be dead and it would be the entire working lives of my DC.

DH is more optimistic he think by time we retire UK we we'll be spending euros not because we move but because UK will join back up and take EU currency a spart of being allowed to.

Happylady165 · 12/04/2023 10:08

Hilarious that they are questioning your sanity. Dw OP I feel the same way. Just “move on” from something that is causing the poorest of us pain and suffering every day is a pretty bold statement. I wonder though if they are so happy with their new blue passports that they couldn’t care less about the price of food 😂

Museya15 · 12/04/2023 10:09

Nothing to do with Brexit just the usual Tory government. Lived under thatcher rule, just the same in the late 70s 80s. Labour aren't much better, we have a sir representing the working class lol.

Arapawa · 12/04/2023 10:10

You do know that there are exactly the same issues in EU as in UK right? Shortage of lorry drivers, shortage of hospitality staff, nurses and teachers striking? Inflation etc etc. We spend a lot of time in EU - various countries from Germany, Denmark, France, Spain, Netherlands and for the past 2/3 years all these countries have been suffering the same as the UK. Netherlands inflation is horrendous - much worse than UK.

Howpo · 12/04/2023 10:10

Arapawa · 12/04/2023 09:58

You know we have just come through a pandemic plus we have a cost of living crisis OP? Germany (still in the EU) and mega manufacturers are doing VERY slightly better than the UK.

Germany's national debt 66% of GDP and is falling.

UK's is 97% and is increasing.

Both have gone through a pandemic and are in a cost of living crisis.

One country has been managed well, one has not.

Guess which one?

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 12/04/2023 10:10

Lets not forget the blue passports (which are black, really) ... which I believe are made in Poland by the French company Thales! 🤔

Brefugee · 12/04/2023 10:10

Newmum0322 · 12/04/2023 10:04

It was nonsensical because you quoted me, for reasons I’m unclear about, and proceeded to talk about sending home unemployed people etc… a comment with no relevance to my post.

I am a ‘remainer’… but I acknowledge that Brexit has been neither significantly detrimental nor beneficial to my day to day life. You're response didn’t address that.

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I was quoting you for the fallacious argument about the vaccine. Which came about because of a wide lack of understanding of how the EU works.

I illustrated that be pointing out that the UK had never needed to continue to pay benefits to unemployed EU citizens. Because that was/is anotget widely misunderstood "EU rule" that many in the UK thought was "a thing" that actually wasn't.

ItWillWash · 12/04/2023 10:11

I suspect as support for Brexit continues to dwindle political parties such as Lab and Lib Dems will capitalise on this and campaign to rejoin, however, we are unlikely to ever have anything like the deal we had with the EU. Brexit has caused irrevocable damage to the UK economy.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/04/2023 10:11

Get a grip, OP. I voted to remain but I place the responsibility for this shitshow firmly at the feet of parliament and the crappy excuses for politicians we have running this country into the ground.

Banging on and on about a democratic vote that should never have been given to the public to vote for, is getting old and tired. There's also a Brexit board, why not rant in there?

Neededanewuserhandle · 12/04/2023 10:12

MarshaBradyo · 12/04/2023 09:12

A major party could offer this. They should be aware of numbers so I wonder why they don’t

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Due to our crappy electoral system, only 2 parties stand a chance of forming a majority government. Both of those parties have significant numbers of people who voted leave (Tories more than Labour but it's estimated as millions of Labour voters). The Tories don't care, so it's really Labour who could offer this. They run the risk of it being a vote loser.

Since the result was so close, it seems likely it would be close again - so if, say it went 52/48 to rejoin this time it would cause a lot of division.

On a purely practical basis, we can't keep joining and leaving with each change of government.

We really need proportional representation. With PR I would bet we'd never have had the Tory referendum in 2016.

RJ57 · 12/04/2023 10:13

And I'm out of this thread. Its just degenerated into name calling and bitching.

MumsNet can be a pretty unpleasant place at times sadly.

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