Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

@MavisMcMinty Imho Remain lacked a convincing and charismatic "leader" Leave had 2 in BJ and Farage, plus Cummings working in the background.

Had BJ campaigned for Remain, we'd still be in the EU.

There’s a fascinating programme on Cummings and the campaign. I’m sure he loves that a great actor played him but it is excellent.

As much as he annoys me if he and maybe Johnson had been on remain who knows if it would be the same

Polls show many think it was a mistake but on google the rate to rejoin is just under 50% at around 48% so weirdly it could deliver the same small loss

The small margins to re join are why Labour don't wish to re ignite the EU debate, its a wise move, the numbers are simply not yet there to open up this Pandora's box again.

The Tories would use SM/CU as rejoin by another name.

I couldn’t call Labour smart as no great love there but I’m yet to see a poll on SM / CU

I don’t know what people think of that but I’m guessing FOM might be an issue

Not much point linking to a pay wall article?
Sorry I didn't know it paywalled. I could read the article with no pay wall from this twitter link:
https://twitter.com/Antipolluters/status/1647584892396371968?s=20

As I am hoping to emigrate for retirement in the warm with DH, there are going to be two vacancies. But it's not so easy post Brexit. Once I would just have bought a house and subscribed to private medical insurance after sorting residence. I am going to be fully self funded, and I will take intensive language lessons too. So, rather than Europe, it looks like Asia. DH likes that idea better, because he grew up in Asia.

I also believe this. Johnson was the linchpin. And it’s Johnson who was elected in 2019 - yes I know he only got 43% of the vote but with FPTP we can/will never have a representative government - but ANY other Tory leader wouldn’t have.

Brexit belongs to “Boris”, and it’s nicely alliterative which Johnson likes. Boris’s Brexit, without Johnson it wouldn’t have happened.

Obviously I loathe both him and his Brexit.

When I had a hysterectomy my named nurse was from the Philippines and she was great. She was also very highly regarded by her colleagues. The hospital had a few nurses from the Philippines and English nurses on the ward said their training was more advanced than UK training and included things that would be post grad here.

Yes sorry, I realise you had what they said in bold but I hadn't noticed so just read the whole thing as you.

@Iwasafool maybe so, but I have no issues as an 'in addition to' but I do have a problem as an 'instead of' -

Can't the Spanish and Polish nurses/doctors/workers apply for visas like the ones from India and the Philippines? Brexit didn't mean they can't get visas did it?

Of course they can BUT they can work in other EU countries without applying for visas, can stay indefinitely and don't need heath insurance or min savings which is what they need to work in the UK, they can also earn more money in many other EU countries and don't face hours of delay at the border, can get their kids dental treatment, schools and GP's.

The UK offers very little to EU workers anymore, the ones i did knew, moved to Germany, Sweden and Austria.

With the utmost respect to everyone, it has been 3 years since we left the EU (which we were a member of for 47 years) and in those 3 years we have had a global pandemic and the war in Ukraine.

There was always going to be an initial negative impact because of the general "remain" consensus in the media and the surprise that we voted leave, and the fact that people are afraid of the unknown and a lot of us hadnt known anhy other reality than being a member.

There hasn't been any time for recovery yet, really, especially given what has happened. Give it another few years and we will have a clearer picture, but I just don't think we can judge it yet.

@Howpo and the same goes for HGv drivers too- when we were living in Copenhagen it was full of other EU drivers who had been working in UK and moved post Brexit , partly because they had to now jump through hoops and partly because they didn't feel that welcome

You'd be correct if the UK was doing even "middle of the pack" well, but we are not.
Our inflation is high, as is energy, productivity still very low, no growth and 10yr Gilt yields are still higher than our competitors, meaning we pay more on borrowings.

Trade is always the most profitable with your nearest neighbours, esp if they are relatively wealthy, we have chosen to limit that.

We have a company in Oxford, who have developed the worlds most efficient Solar panel tech... due to Govt refusing to invest, these panels will be made in Germany, for me that sums up the UK.

We have not got years to find out if Brexit was a success, we need to start making decisions now or it will be far too late.

@Issania87

Why do you think the U.K. is doing worse than all the other countries also affected by covid and the war in Ukraine? (including astonishingly, worse than Russia who have been widely sanctioned and are fighting a war.)

I suspect it would never have been correct. If you put up trade barriers with your closest neighbours and trading partners, you're going to suffer. If you make the conditions as hard as possible, you're going to suffer more.
We don't need to keep waiting and hoping that somehow it's going to get better. It won't, unless the deal is softened.

See Private Eye on freeports and whose pockets all the money is going into. The benefits are being felt by a select minority.

Yes @Issania87 I believe Jacob Rees Mogg recommended waiting 50 years to see if Brexit is a success didn't he?
Not that it will makes the slightest bit of difference to him either way.

Meanwhile the Times reports a spike in the number of UK citizens moving to Cork or Kerry. People of a certain income bracket who might have moved to warmer parts of Europe pre Brexit I suppose.

' You can get a 5 bedroom on 2 acres ' for much less than you'd pay in the English Midlands or West Country . Still £500k but that's a snip to some folk. Pity my kids can't afford the like.

Honestly, I do think Remain had plenty of spin of its own via the Chattering Classes.

You can still see it on this thread as 7 years down the line Remainers still can't quite believe the "thickos" won it.

Yes, we'll vote to suit ourselves and yes, we exist in echo chambers where we don't include people who do not share our values in our social circles therefore never have our values and opinions challenged.

The question asked was when is it going to get better, and for a lot of people (presumably the "thickos" who voted Leave) it has.

Unskilled employment (approx 75% of the UK workforce) rises month by month and the National Minimum Wage has risen along with a 10% Universal Credit and Tax Credit up rate. To counter the whataboutery, yes, we're all facing inflation rises and the cost of living impacted by the Ukrainian war, but those still unemployed and those in the squeezed middle are feeling the pinch the most (I am in the latter).

The removal of the obviously disliked Freedom of Movement means that those on the lowest rung can now get a foot on the ladder whereas they had highly skilled competition prior to Brexit.

There were always a few myths that I questioned (in my head, I wouldn't dare say these to my Remainer friends for fear of wrong-think humiliation). Why is voting to remove the Freedom of Movement of a predominantly white workforce racist? Especially when this opens up vacancies that can be filled from non white countries via targeted recruitment. However, as I say, the Remainer slur that this was about Racism was persuasive, and so I too voted for the UK to keep its position of privilege in the EU's predominantly white members club like my value-sharing cohorts. It wasn't hard to convince myself to do this because as someone who is neither wealthy nor poor or competing for Minimum Wage work, I was much better off financially by remaining.

At the time I didn't consider those who might vote Leave, or the real reasons why. I didn't have anyone in my social circles who actually would benefit from leaving and took the mistaken belief that everyone thought as I did, even though Leave voters circumstances were very different to mine.

Unskilled employment (approx 75% of the UK workforce) rises month by month and the National Minimum Wage has risen along with a 10% Universal Credit and Tax Credit up rate. To counter the whataboutery, yes, we're all facing inflation rises and the cost of living impacted by the Ukrainian war, but those still unemployed and those in the squeezed middle are feeling the pinch the most (I am in the latter).

The removal of the obviously disliked Freedom of Movement means that those on the lowest rung can now get a foot on the ladder whereas they had highly skilled competition prior to Brexit

The myopia and economic naivety of this is painful.

So now I'm a thicko too @Mirabai ?

You see, this is why I didn't question my cohorts because a different opinion is seen as you being too thick to understand why you're wrong.

Why not try widening your social circles? What do you have to lose?

Hopefully once the NHS gives up and dies, they will start to put measures in place to manage mentally ill people.who fixate on something that isn't any issue to them. Sad.

Can we please stop with the lie that it was only the poor and downtrodden who voted for Brexit. Brexit was heavily supported by wealthy home counties pensioners who had prospered greatly under eu membership, funny, they never get blamed its it!

And as for racism, actually, most people I know who voted Leave ARE racist, proper, 'they should all fuck off home' racist. Ironically, they also thought they were voting for fewer brown people in England. I used to follow Vote Leave on Facebook, the racism on there was shocking. Even post celebrating the Grenfell fire and getting hundreds of likes. The only good thing about Brexit that I find is my delight pointing out to racist relatives how many more brown people are now coming to the UK.

Your mileage may vary @Kendodd

However, if you know people like this then I'll take your word for it.

My work brings me into contact with the demographic I am referencing, perhaps rather than deciding I am lying you can afford me the same respect?

No? Why am I not surprised?