Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

It's already clear that immigration to the UK has increased to record levels after Brexit.

In the year ending June 2022, long-term immigration into the UK was estimated at around 1.1 million. This was primarily driven by the immigration of non-EU nationals.

The most common reason for EU nationals arriving in the UK was work. However, there is now a decrease in the number of EU nationals working in the UK.

Replacing these EU workers with non-EU workers resulting in higher immigration numbers as non-EU workers are more likely to bring family and dependents with them. Only 23% of non-EU nationals arriving here are coming to work and the most common reason (46%) non-EU nationals give for coming here is to join family members.

JocelynBurnell
Unfortunately, it is probably not that difficult to predict that Britain will experience sustained decline compared to competing economies in the decades ahead

The image only shows the IMF's forecast for 2023. There are several charts on Twitter collating the IMF's GDP growth forecasts (WEO) for the period 2023-2028. The forecasts currently show the UK in the middle of the G7 pack (compounded growth version):

UK 8.5%
Germany 7.3%
France 9.1%
Italy 5.8%
US 11.3%
Canada 11.0%
Japan 4.3%

DuncinToffee
Millions of workers in Britain will be about £1,300 worse off a year due to Brexit leading experts have said

The £1,300 figure comes from a long-run forecast (15 years?) based on assumptions ("a typical FTA"). From your link;

“The OBR’s estimate of the Brexit hit is the average of a range of forecasts undertaken by reputable economists, and isn’t definitive. The impact in the long run could be less, or more, than the OBR thinks."

JocelynBurnell
In the words of the former governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney:
“In 2016 the British economy was 90% the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70%.”
Nepmarthiturn
This cannot be repeated enough

Economists on both sides of the Brexit debate argue that Mark Carney's claim is nonsense:
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/11/brexit-damage-uk-economy-mark-carney

https://thecritic.co.uk/what-mark-carney-got-wrong/

Agreed. The pandemic also showed me why it is a good idea to teach our children not to be manipulated by politicians or the media or indeed a anyone in a position of authority

(I wasn't anti lockdown or anti vaccines, but I had huge problems with a lot of the manipulation of people -like the wide swings from heavy lockdown to "eat out to help out")

Has anyone on the right got an answer Marsha?

No they have not, aprt from taking migrants from Rwanda and process here!!!

& its Cameron with his disastrous decision to remove Ghaddafi that has made it far easier for migrants and traffickers to cross from N. Africa.

Ultimately though, being out of the EU makes it far harder to deal with our migrant problems, the EU isn't about to agree a returns agreement with a 3rd country.

The question I’m after getting the answer is do people have an upper limit on migration?

Usually the right will say yes, the left just avoid it.

I don’t think I’ve seen an answer on any thread

So where has the host of migration targets from the Tories, got us Marsha? because if they are not met, then they are just hot air & i believe Braverman refused to put a number on migration, even the "the 10s of '000s" has been dropped.

Plus, as i mentioned before, allowing, up to 5m HK Chinese into the UK, which is more than ever came here under the EU's FOM, seems a very odd thing to do if you wish to control migration.

Its all just hot air, which, otherwise sensible people, believe, despite the evidence.

I think Brexit will be better for the UK …… eventually. Maybe not in my life time though.

Why has no one been held accountable over the £350m NHS slogan.

What I don’t understand is, if remaining was so important, why did Lib Dem’s get so few votes. They said they would keep us in.

But this is just another question. I can answer in return after

Is there an upper limit in your view?, or from others who would say they are on the left

There’s another thread on mass migration running which prompted the question, I don’t think I’ve seen an answer on any thread though

What I don’t understand is, if remaining was so important, why did Lib Dem’s get so few votes. They said they would keep us in.

I’ve also wondered this.

Sorry, i will give you my answer.
in my opinion, a limit cannot be stated because no number is achievable.

Why? because allowing in 5m HK Chinese, v large numbers who can cross the channel (with almost zero means of return) skilled worker visas PLUS their families, a possible trade deal with India which will involve 100s of '000s of student visas, means the Govt has chosen to increase migration beyond anything we have ever seen before.
The Govt can't even get Albanian economic migrants to return home, the Govt just lie i.e Agreement with France? rubbish.

I would halt the HK stuff, they aren't fleeing war, we changed the law to allow this, i would review the skilled worker visas that allow in family members, ridiculous, no one will return, unlike with EU FOM workers, i d have a UK wide ID card system too, the ease in which people can be whoever they want and can work in the black economy and use the NHS is insanity.

We also need to re join Europol and break up the trafficking gangs.

What I don’t understand is, if remaining was so important, why did Lib Dem’s get so few votes. They said they would keep us in.
Because there's no apetite for it. Apart from a gaggle of very vocal supporters on forums, no one desires a return.

Go out into the streets and talk to Brits. A few might nod as you rant on and pretend to agree, but scratch the surface and they don't hold the same values.

There is a massive silent majority in the UK who rarely stick their heads above the parapet. Look around you and take note.

The merest quick glance at the polls shows that to be bollocks.

I think the LibDems were generally unelectable. Not sure anyone wanted to overturn Brexit enough to overlook their issues.

I haven't posted on one of these threads before. I'm not a repeat "remoaner".

It was always fairly clear to me that nobody had enough information to be making the decisions we did when voting. I l have never believed a word coming out of Johnson's mouth. He's not credible at all. That's the main reason I voted remain, because there wasn't a clearly defined case to vote leave.

I can't understand how so many people seem to be in denial about how bad this now is. It doesn't matter who was right and wrong, it just needs acknowledging and sorting out.

Because the LibDems have imploded, didn’t have enough MPs, and didn’t look like they could viably run the country. Remain needed democratic representation from one of the two main parties, but Labour were first led by a Leave sympathiser - Corbyn, and then bottled it.

In my London strongly Remain area Labour and Tories were neck and neck whereas the LibDems were nowhere - so voting LibDem wouldn’t achieve anything.

@Howpo - and all this legal immigration of non white non EU is being hidden and kept quiet- I work in a co working centre that has people in there doing the visas- it's wall to wall every day- big families too and they clearly aren't all brain surgeons or software guys. It's very much a one way thing too- how many Brits wish to work or retire in phillipines, or India?

With the Lib Dem's - people vote strategically- anywhere where you are pretty sure the Lib Dem's will get in they do well - like here in Bath- if proper PR was in the Lib Demvote would rocket in many areas.

Exactly, same with Richmond. If I had been in an area where LD had a chance I would have voted for them. As it was it would have been a wasted vote.

The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Thursday said the country had a net migration gain of 504,000 people between June 2021 and June 2022. That number was nearly triple the 173,000 registered the year prior.

Its estimated that approx 51,000 EU citizens left the UK during the same time period.

I found the above info online which is very interesting (to me anyway)because I have seen various European friends leave from our area. We have welcomed lots of new families from South America into our local school, especially from Brazil.

There was a thread on here recently moaning about the absolute state of Bath:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4720076-bath-gone-downhill?page=5&reply=124811004

Maybe the PR of Bath speaks volume and why the LibDem vote cannot rocket, people see the filth and decay and think, no thank you.

Those opposed to leaving the European Union repeatedly accuse Brexit of being based on ignorance fed by lies. The ‘lie’ they invariably refer to is the £350 million on the side of the Boris bus. In reality, it was the Remain campaign, and its interminable Rejoiner sequel, that was and is based on systematic distortions and gross misunderstandings.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/be-honest-brexit-didnt-cost-us/?zephr_sso_ott=AWXPlr

The Remain campaign was woeful. Cameron, having “won” the referendums on AV and Scottish independence, was far too cocky, far too lazy, didn’t believe for a minute that Leave would win. Focused entirely on THE ECONOMY, which he and Osborne had already decimated due to their ideological austerity “all in it together”. The “economy” under the Tories never benefits the poorest however well it’s doing so little wonder their single argument for Remaining in the EU fell on deaf, angry ears.

Before the referendum was called Cameron had said he wouldn’t campaign for either side, but there he was, his smooth smug face all over it, so people took the opportunity to give him a well-deserved electoral smack.

The Leave campaign appealed to hearts and guts.

Not much point linking to a pay wall article?

Who the heck goes out into the streets and randomly rants about Brexit?

However, poll after poll shows the majority in the UK now thinks Brexit was a mistake.

As of March 2023, 55 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 32 percent who thought it was the right decision

Thats not enough though to either have another referendum or for the EU to agree to either SM/CU or a Rejoin, another Generation is needed.