Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

Skilled worker immigration polls pretty highly, not sure wrt Brexit voters only but voters seem to break it down into sun groups. Some ok, some not

I think Labour still see a immigration as a GE winner or loser hence the early announcement re no SM or CU.

I think the EU would have us back, as per links below, but the landscape will change further. The state of emergency in Italy with boats will get worse as climate change does. I’m not sure the electorate will vote for FOM again

I don't think it's acceptable to tell people what they are only interested in hearing. You have no right to determine that people live in echo chambers and aren't interested in hearing other views on the basis of what you 'suspect.'

If there is an increase in low-skilled workers getting jobs, that is great. It's clearly not enough, since there are such labour shortages in agriculture, the NHS and hospitality, leading to a shortage of the appointments that the disabled need more than anyone else. But this could all have been managed while we were members of the EU as well. That it didn't is down to successive governments. And it does not detract from the woeful economic impact that affects all of us, making all of us poorer. The latest figures are that Brexit is costing every individual £1800 a year - peanuts to the wealthy and privileged, but a fortune for those who can least afford it.

Of course we can't time travel. But we can take a clear-sighted view of what Brexit is doing so that we can urge MPs to renegotiate in order to salvage something and benefit the country as a whole as best they can.

Uni or HE education not available to w/c kids and kids not getting good GCSE's isn't the fault of the EU and wont be fixed by leaving the EU, its down to lab and Tory govts failure to invest in education, W/C kids aren't inherently stupid.

My pov is formed by what i see and have experienced, as is yours.

How anyone can see a NMW increase of £1 ph as a Brexit benefit when all it has done is matched a distorted and artificially held low level of inflation is beyond me e.g food inflation 18%, energy 250%.

Disabled finally getting help? good, why didn't they before?

Lifting themselves out of poverty when rents are unaffordable/sky high increases, section 21 evictions are common plce and extra earnings attract an effective tax rate of over 60% ? how come?

I don't see young people with no qualifications and no skills getting jobs, they game, smoke dope and claim UC as they did before Brexit.

The government is terrified any incoming government will wreck their beautiful Brexit, so is undermining any possible routes back by approving crappy trade deals that barely benefit us but don’t accord with EU membership. Not to mention the Tories’ awful inflammatory rhetoric towards the EU, blaming them for all Brexit’s massive stupid failings. I wouldn’t want the UK in my club, and I’m a Brit!

If you want evidence of the increase in employment in those aged 16-21 then you can drill down in the Office for National Statistics site at quite a low level.

No-one is saying working class kids are stupid, as mentioned, we are all the products of our personal circumstances. No-one is saying the EU is responsible for low levels of educational attainment either. What I am saying is that those who find themselves with few qualifications now have better opportunities. Rather than cherry picking, employers are having to attract employees with what they can offer them, particularly in terms of progression.

Our mileage may vary but the OP asked for any benefits of Brexit and I have given you some.

As for assuming you all want to exist in an echo chamber, well, rather than saying "great, that is good news" the only replies I have got so far is people wanting to argue that I'm mistaken in my own observations and some whataboutery, so I will take this as my assumptions were pretty accurate.

Actually I did say that if there is an increase in low-skilled workers getting jobs, then that is great, but anyway . . .

In the year ending June 2022, long-term immigration into the UK during that twelve month period was estimated at around 1.1 million according to the Office for National Statistics. This is primarily driven by the immigration of non-EU nationals.

This figure is somewhat offset by the net departure of EU nationals from the UK.

EU nationals working here in the past were mainly coming here short-term to complete building contracts, work in tourism for a season, etc. Those who came here long term were usually single workers, or young couples both of whom were working. In the small number of cases where it was a family, it usually consisted of one child. EU nationals are now returning home as economies there have improved.

Non-EU immigration to the UK has a different character. Workers coming from non-EU countries are more likely to settle here long term, more likely to bring family and dependent relatives with them and come from cultures when 4/5 children are the norm and are more likely to be one-income households.

You did, I apologise.

@JocelynBurnell those immigrants are filling a skills gap presumably rather than bringing many dependents to live off 1 minimum wage job topped up with benefits.

Are you saying that the predominantly white European immigrants were better than the ones who are now coming from other countries?

and come from cultures when 4/5 children are the norm

Is there a source for this? Not that I mind people moving with children but I’m interested in where you’ve seen it

Unemployment rate for 16 to 24yo's is marginally lower now than in 2016 and on par with unemployment rates in 2008, they peaked in 2012 (after GFC) and have been, pandemic aside, steadily falling since.

Source Gov.uk.

I don't think you or i can say Brexit has made or better, its more (if anything) to do with the health of the economy.

Its not about being in an echo chamber, its about facts, wages, employment rates etc etc have not improved across the economy since Brexit, anecdotally, i'm sure you ve seen what you say you have but across the UK as a whole no.

Youth unemployment is falling now because it shot up during the pandemic. Young employees accounted for nearly half the fall in total employment (46%) during the Covid crisis.

YE fell significantly between 2011-2019 and in 2023 is now simply going back to pre-Covid levels thanks to “Plan for Jobs” and “Kickstart” schemes for young people launched in the summer of 2020.

We should be careful about the volume of migrants coming here with children, we don't have the schools or health services for them.

I believe there is a poster on here who works for an immigration service and has said similar of large familes etc.

Moving is expensive. Buying a house in the U.K. doubly do.

If you’re moving here on a skilled visa you need to buy or rent a place that fits your needs.

It sounds a bit prejudiced tbh. Are there stats to back it up?

*I should say more broadly that the fall 2011-2019 reflected recovery from the fallout of the financial crisis, and 2019 marked a return to pre-crisis levels of YE.

On migration figures, need to remember Ukrainian refuge's and HK Chinese are inc in the long term numbers, the former will hopefully be able to return, as i'm sure many will want too.

I am at a loss as to why we are allowing in up to 5m HK Chinese, HK is neither at war or are these people, generally speaking, at risk of harm, those that are of course but the UK is not in a position to absorb these numbers.

When what gets better?

How can we measure the effect of Brexit when we are dealing with the huge fallout from a financially catastrophic global pandemic, and now the dreadful situation in Ukraine?

One way is to look at how we are doing in comparison with all the other nations who had to deal with the effects of the pandemic and the war.

@2pence I agrée with you about the marginal gains in some areas of the employment market but they have come at a devastating cost for employers such as the NHS who’ve lost a catastrophic number of staff. Not to mention that the plan of this government is eventually to remove all workers’ rights which will come at a devastating cost to us all - especially those at the bottom of the wages ladder.

@tailinthejam as previous posters have said, the comparison is there already. Many other EU countries who are also dealing with Ukraine and Covid are doing far far better than us economically. It’s widely accepted (universally?) by the much derided experts that our financial woes are very much Brexit related.

If Brexit was “beneficial” to Britain or even just “not harmful” it wouldn’t matter that nobody born after the 23rd of June 1998 voted for Brexit.

Every year there are millions of new voters coming through and having to live their lives in a country hamstrung by the problems caused by the decision of only 17 million in 2023.

Thats just not sustainable is it?

How many young people today will be prepared to wait almost 50 years for Brexit to show some benefits,

How many of today’s young people will even fall for that lie like 17 million of their grandparents did?

How many young people will look at the freedoms of Europe - to study, work and live anywhere, and be happy that we locked the door on them?

I think things will change. It’s hard to predict.

We’re starting to see the beginnings of mass migration, the state of emergency in Italy for example

How people feel about borders may well change as climate issues ramp up

Unfortunately, it is probably not that difficult to predict that Britain will experience sustained decline compared to competing economies in the decades ahead.

That’s not the border issue though

People seem to dodge questions around mass migration and if they have an upper limit on how many people

Not on this thread primarily but quite a few others

Can people envisage what it’ll be like when huge numbers start to do this, what happens and how is it dealt with?

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone to the left post an answer