Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

My feeling at the time was May chose party over country.

Disgraceful and since then has chosen Terresa May over everything else, judging by the amounts she has earned since leaving office.

As ever remainers within the broader population had no say over May’s deal, which was sunk by the hardline ERG in the Tory party much more than any Remainers. The Remainer MPs on the whole grudgingly voted for it.

I don’t think it did. I’d have much preferred May’s deal as we’d have kept Erasmus and she didn’t jeopardise participation in the research programmes like Horizon.

The offer to stay in Horizon was withdrawn by the EU because of issues around the NI protocol, Mays deal was similar, so would have had a similar response from the EU.

Even now, despite the EU's offer to rejoin Horizon, the Conservatives would rather risk destroying the UK life sciences than pay into Horizon & hence some influence by the ECJ.

The Tories chose not to be in Erasmus, nothing to do with Bojo's deal, UK could join that at anytime it wants.

They lied but they also didn’t have their own position worked out. Johnson only switched to Leave for political gain and originally favoured a soft Brexit as did Gove. At the time of the vote “Leave” was 100% undefined.

It was a part of the deal. I remember Johnson feigning sadness and saying that that hhad been a tough part of the negotiation. Hopefully they will accept us back but we’ll have to wait several years for the next cycle of funding.

The problem with a soft Brexit is that analysis shows that immigration was a top reason for Brexit voters.

It’s the thing that many voted for so getting a version that doesn’t have that priority seems a bit redundant.

When it comes to the Brexit enquiry in 10-20 years. One of the issues to be addressed will be how did such a large proportion of the population end up with no democratic representation at all.

Contrary to the claims of Leavers, the Brexit vote and its implementation represents a total failure of democracy. We all know referendums are the easily manipulable tool du choix of authoritarian regimes to give a veneer of democracy. Just how democratic was the German 1933 vote to leave the League of Nations for example (or any of their following referendums).

But it’s not just the vote itself, the political system that provided no checks and balances along the way is at fault and must be reformed.

But, this stuff as been done to death and honest discourse on political failure let alone reform is a long way off.

No benefits at all, expensive to send or receive post from EU, young people now cannot study in the EU so easily, issues for live music, lack of staff for farmwork or care-homes.. the list goes on, I would love to hear of one good thing that happened due to Brexit, that truly benefits the country

And as they were told at the time, our economy needs immigrants so if they don’t come from the EU they come from elsewhere. Which is what’s happening now.

Soft Brexit was seen as “not really leaving” which is true.

@blackpearwhitelilies what if the answer they give to "What is the EU" is "bureaucratic governance which gives free movement to skilled tradespeople with whom I cannot compete in an open job market"?

Are these people allowed to vote?

This was the reality for a lot of Leave Voters. Not my reality so it benefited me to remain and I voted for my own benefit. Why shouldn't others do the same?

Enough of them did and we left. I don't see any of them posting here though, probably because they are in work now and don't hold a position where they can indulge in these sorts of debates on their phones like we can.

Sometimes you need to accept that your own opinion was not the most popular and move on. It's been a while, and I got there some time ago.

Sometimes you need to accept that your own opinion was not the most popular and move on. It's been a while, and I got there some time ago.

As did we all. The discussion here is how we move on economically, any bright ideas for that?

I suspect not, since this thread is full of examples of how the repercussions from Brexit are hampering peoples’ everyday lives and work and it’s yet another breezy dismissal of all that.

Overall, however, there does seem to be more awareness than otherwise of what the vote has done, so I take heart from that.

@Mirabai sadly no. I voted to stay inside and enjoy the privilege.

We're taking the hit so that others benefit. However, given that those who now find themselves in employment (earning £10+ an hour) are at the lower end of the economic scale, I'll accept the hit without too much complaining.

Of for heavens’ sake - it’s about so much more than whether my opinion was the most popular or not. This reductive thinking is so unhelpful.

very few are benefitting. Even those whose wages may have increased - and that is a minority - are facing a CoL crisis sucking up much of the benefit and exacerbated by a Brexit that has taken 4% off GDP. Add to this the billions spent on Brexit to date that could have gone into public services, providing better healthcare and education for all of these families, and the benefits look v small indeed.

I'm old enough to have voted against joining in the first place - because I was a leftist and thought EEC / EU was bad for worker's rights.

The Tories spent 18 long years from April 1979 proving me wrong. That and the great advances made by formerly poor nations within the EU.

I'm not a great Thatcher fan but she got some things rights. Like referendums being ' a weapon of dictators'.

Who is benefiting?

Private sector pay is around 6/7% so less half what the inflation rate has been for food and energy (18%) and public sector pay is around 4%.

Yes a few lorry drivers have seen pay increase by a lot more but they are a tiny minority of the workforce and those wages get passed on in pricing.

We all suffer shortages in food and pharma, a lower GDP & increased taxes to compensate.

TBH the only people i knew who took part in Erasmus were local children who went to our local state comp, the one my DD knew well was from a W/C family and she is now a journalist paying 40% tax and the first in her family to go to Uni.

Millions of workers in Britain will be about £1,300 worse off a year due to Brexit leading experts have said.

They highlighted the blow to people’s income compared with what it would likely have been if the UK had not quit the European Union its biggest trading partner.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-cost-uk-workers-lost-income-obr-institute-for-fiscal-studies-b1073578.html

“Short-term pain for long-term…

…agony!”

As Prof. Blanchflower says “You can’t eat sovereignty”

And schadenfreude is delicious, but entirely calorie-free.

As John Hume said : ' You can't eat a flag'.

In reference to extremist on both sides in Ireland.But it applies here to Leave / Remain as well.

I think we're talking at odds here. I am talking about people in entry level jobs who perhaps never progress. Those who leave school with no qualifications or GCSE grades below 4. They don't know what Erasmas is, Higher Education is so far from their radar and so completely out of reach.

I'm talking about people with disabilities who are finally getting a look in to start work now employers are being forced to consider them.

It's the people at the bottom of the economic chain who are benefiting from the end of Freedom of Movement.

The Cost of Living crisis affects us all, thankfully there's help for those on low income that "we" don't have access to (because we're not living on the bones of our arses).

In my line of work I see people lifting themselves out of poverty through the availability of low skill entry level jobs. I am involved in filling the skills gap at Executive Level. The Office for National Statistics employment stats attest to the change since Brexit if you're genuinely interested in seeing evidence of this.

I suspect you're not though. You're interested in an echo chamber where we all parrot how stupid and racist those who voted Leave were. Well, for those who voted to end Freedom of Movement of predominantly highly skilled white people so they could gain employment then that's paid off for them. The increase in National Minimum Wage has paid off for them.

My work has changed in that rather than overseeing recruitment of already highly skilled employees, I am now involved in upskilling the workforce that's now available to my clients.

We all need to adapt to our changed circumstances and move forward. Time travel is not an option.