Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

[N0addedsalt]

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

And again you take a snippet of a post instead of quoting the full thing. I explained why I feel you are being disingenuous previously but to reiterate.

I stated very clearly that the bendy banana was my favourite example of the media/politicians taking things out of context to manipulate/ create a narrative.

Your post was just a link to an article that confirms something I stated in my original post, with no added context or input from you.

Why would you do that if not to trying to contradict me/insinuate something?

Either you're trying to do but don't have the guts to say it out right or you're just chucking in randomly googled articles for no real reason

The fact that you've deliberately chopped off the first part of the sentence that explains why I was refercening bendy bananas, that you've not bothered to quote the full post in which I give more context and reasoning, that the article you've linked isn't one that would immediately appear if you searched for bendy bananas, and from what I know about you from previous threads I'm inclined to think that it is the former of those two scenarios.

For me, an (unfortunate) reality is that I now feel much freer to care less about certain groups of people. If they actively vote against their own self-interest, it gives me license to care less about them; and to prioritise my own.

That's not 'dragging a weight' around, that's actively choosing to make decisions that benefit me and mine. I can no longer worry about those who aren't smart enough to worry about themselves.

Sorry, but there it is.

It is pretty much impossible to summon any sympathy for anybody who voted for Brexit but still has the audacity to complain about the cost of living/ state of the economy. Particularly those who still don't even have the decency to admit they made a huge mistake and apologise for screwing over lots of innocent people who didn't vote for this shitshow.

One of many reasons I voted Remain was because I know that the English, certainly, are, at heart, peasants. Drunken, feudal, fearful, suspicious, under-educated Anglo-Saxon peasants. We love a forelock tug. We cower before a posh accent.

The idea that we collectively could ever grasp 'the benefits' of Brexit was, frankly, laughable. I recognised that. We don't have the education, the critical thinking skills, the skills, the industry, the ambition, the expectation that our politicians might be held accountable.

Had The Germans left, they'd be world-beating. But they didn't. Despite heavily funding the EU, they believe in it. As, it appears, does the rest of the EU... having seen the winds of ill-fortune blow over the UK.

Which groups? I keep reading that I'm in the group who voted leave due to my age but I didn't, I voted remain, so did my DH who is even older than me, so did my sister and her husband who are also older than me. Do we all get lumped into a group we never joined?

Fair enough if it is people who you know voted leave but unfair if you are doing it on demographics.

Is he? That's hilarious.
🤣🤣🤣

This!

I forgive everyone who voted for the lie they were sold. It was a scam They were conned. They were told it would be good for Britain.

But it isn't. So it's hard to forgive anyone who wants us to shut up about the damage Brexit is doing and just watch our country continue to go downhill.

Still, about those Brexit benefits...?

@verdantverdure
"Still, about those Brexit benefits"
There are none, apart from Poles who have returned home or elsewhere.
The EU charged the UK for the privilege of withdrawing, Ursula VDL who has too much power anyway, had the UK Govt by the short and curlies re: charging the UK an absolute fortune to pull out, so don't blame the Leave voters who have been described as "horrible, nasty, selfish, and stupid", blame Ursula VDL.

I don't blame the marks @Cabella

I blame the con men.

I'm front line NHS. 5 years ago my team was 100% western trained (UK, Australian Spanish, Portuguese, Polish).

Now my team is 85% third/developing world trained. Everyone else has left, all the EU staff, many deeply upset that they hadn't realised howvhated they were. Of the other 15% western trained; 10% are working their notice.

I'm off in 3 months. Because I can afford to, but I want to leave, not get sacked due my association with often lovely, but professionally incompetent and embarrassingly difficult to understand- overseas trained staff. It has escalated, as one after another western-trained person leaves. You feel ever more exposed.

If you don't believe me, google the names on the HCPC hearings.

I'm not racist. I'm training-ist.

I recognise it's not all Brexit. It's the removal of the (now reinstalled) HC degree bursary (Tory); the hate-mongering by the Tory supported and promoting tabloids against the NHS (followed by the deifying during Covid...; not the denigrating, again) - and the Brexit-voting of the Tory-supporting tabloid readership.

Only wealthy Tories have benefitted from Brexit.

We are where we are.

@Newmum0322 'What is worrying you so much, about Brexit specifically? Times are a bit shit, but Brexit didn’t cause COVID, the war in Russia, gas prices etc… I could understand worrying about all of that. But why Brexit?'

The malign forces that financed it. This wasn't entered into in good faith. It was financed and abetted by disruptors. Very wealthy people who wanted no scrutiny into their cash. Russia (funny how soon they flexed against Western Europe, eh?- to all our losses); lies; £350m a week to the NHS.

More educated people recognise the loss of places at bigger tables.

Personally, I've come to realise that now, only the DC of the wealthier can now study in the EU. The hoops we paid to jump through for one of our DC. No longer available to the less well off. It could be argued that this is a natural world order being re established, given that one poster earlier cited the fact her DCs MW job was possibly paying £11.50ph not £11ph now the Eastern Europeans are gone ... as s Brexit Bonus.

Oh, and the considerably less well-trained HCP staff in the NHS.

It's the small things. Eh?

Don't be ridiculous. Ursula VDL? Why would I blame her? The Brexit referendum wasn't her idea. She didn't vote Leave. She wasn't in the incompetent, shambolic, corrupt Tory government that negotiated our Brexit deal.

Looks like the usual Tory/Brexiteer refusal to take responsibility to me.

@Dreamstate - 😂 I gotta love it. This is a new development.

We have passed through many stages in the unfolding shit-storm that is Brexit.

The last one was 'Brexit is failing because the nasty Remainers aren't getting behind it despite the fact none are in government thus have no influence'- to 'to still care deeply about this evident shit-storm demonstrates you are mentally unwell thus need help'.

I'll eat my popcorn ready while gaslighty Brexiters concoct their next diversionary 'tactic'.

You won, get over it. Oh, hang on.... 🤔

@Fordian probably some of the people I'm seeing at visa processing in our building are destined for teams like your own- if anyone can explain to me why it made sense to lose all our western trained Polish, Spanish nurses etc and replace with ones from India and the phillipines then I'm all ears. These people I'm seeing are coming with quite large trailing families too. I'm pretty sure this isn't what many Brexiters voted for - so we have ended up with what seems like a one way arrangement - whereas the EU was two ways- how many Brits (unless they are of that culture ) want to live and work or retire in Pakistan/Phillipines etc ?? I would have no issue with any of this if it was 'as well as' - it's the 'instead of' that is totally rubbish

Actually, and with young adult DC, (fortunately both educated to a level they can emigrate, and both dual (non-EU)- nationals)- it pains me to say this, but in many ways, I think England needs the slapping that's coming its way. (Sorry, other UK nations). We need to be put back in our place as a small island on the edge of a cold ocean.

We have been permitted seats at top tables for far too long, that has allowed some of us to assume a (public school) importance beyond our ability to handle. While us under-educated, drunken, feudal peasants cheer, abet and vote for.

Brexit will continue to embarrass and demean Britain for some years to come. But- maybe this is the medicine we need? Especially as we prescribed it to ourselves.

@RJ57 out of interest, what's the support in Greece for Grexit, now? A genuine question.

Tho I suspect FAR LOWER now they've seen what being outside the EU looks like. I mean, c'mon. Growth lower than RUSSIA. 7 years in. Wtf?

Is that what you really think?

Starmer has done nothing, nothing at all to gain the vote, he is riding on the failures of the Tories.

He is weak, He can't even say what a woman is.

If he lies about that , how can he be trusted on any other issues?

He should be brave enough to say that an independent enquiry on the impact of Brexit is required to path the way through. But he won't because he is controlled by lobbyists.

Well, the Germany I visited (I have been to and fro for 43 years now) 1 month ago didn't look or feel anything like Britain does, right now.

One can cite any statistical indicator of wealth/better one likes, but southern Germany felt wealthy, comfortable, stable.

Britain feels edgy, angry, poor.

Which groups?

I think you tagged me by accident in your post @ancientgran . I didn't say anything about groups, that was the poster I was responding to.

A large crop of home grown tumbleweed?

Tory PM Theresa May didn't care what a woman is when she she announced her policy of Self ID in 2017.
Tory PM Boris Johnson couldn't answer the question "What is a woman?" on GB News. Just one week after KS was asked the same question.
Tory PM Rishi Sunak refused to to say what a woman is, saying that woman was whatever Boris Johnson said it was.
The Tories are responsible for genderwoo in policy and male sex offenders on women's wards and in women's prisons.

The trans shitshow is one more way the Tories wrecked Britain.

In the words of the former governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney:

“In 2016 the British economy was 90% the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70%.”

This was last October.

In 2023, the British economy will contract further. Sanctions-hit Russia will perform better than Britain.

Yes the Tories have made mistakes but they have now realised that Self ID would be a mistake unlike Labour who are going for it full steam ahead.

Rishi Sunak has made it clear that a woman is a biological woman. Unlike Starmer who has said that it is not right to say only women have a cervix or Nandy who thinks trans rapists should be in women's prisons.

Rishi Sunak is also opposing the Scottish proposals on Self ID. The Scottish Labour Party is fully behind 'woman' meaning any person who says they are one and 16 year olds being able to be put on medical pathways.

I'm not a Tory voter BTW. I am utterly failed by the opposition party who appear to stand for nothing and definitely are no friend to women and children.

The trans shitshow is one more way the Tories wrecked Britain.

So tell me what exactly the opposition party are going to do to fix this?