Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

This cannot be repeated enough.

Made mistakes? That's a generous way of putting it. They ceded women's rights to trans activists in their own party and they haven't finished yet.

Sunak appointed Gillian TWAW Keegan Sectretary of State for Education. Keegan cannot define the word "girl" and is just the latest in a line of TWAW Education Ministers. Penny TWAW Mordaunt still holds a prominent cabinet position. Women and Equalities is dominated by TWAW Tories, including our first Trans MP, the Conservative member for Bridgend who believes he is becoming a woman. He's growing his hair and everything.

The idea that "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is" is yet another Tory lie to go with all the rest. And if they'll lie about this even without all the other lies they've told, how can you trust them on anything?

I'll ask again then. What are the Labour Party going to do to protect women?

Answer, not a jot. They will introduce Self ID and put men in women's prisons.

The fact that so many left leaning women are disenfranchised is the fault of the Labour Party not the fault of the Conservatives.

The Labour Party are under the thumb of the gender Ideologists. They are so scared of upsetting them they will literally throw women's rights under the bus.

That's on them. NOT The tories.

I am desperate to have a good reason to vote for the LP. I have none. Like many left leaning women I have been utterly let down.

I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a party who doesn't think I exist.

The Labour Party could do better. They don't.

The EU people were singles. I've just done the maths. My BHS frontline team of 19 (16 on overseas non-EU visas) also currently bring 26 other people along, mostly kids, and other non-working-visa'ed spouses. Many openly say they come because they can bring their entire family of 5 on one £40,000 pa salary.

Those not with families are living three to a room designated for one!! 😳 Not sure how that works.

I don't have an issue with them using their ability to bring their families. It's the law. As I've already stated, earlier, most are lovely (though, delete this, MN, we could do without the misogynistic strutting of many of the Nigerian men), but just so much less well-trained and competent than the western/EU trained staff now gone.

Brexit has to own this.

And on Brexit.

they are equally as weak.

The least they could do is insist on a public enquiry.

But they won't. Because they are not an effective opposition party.

All they have is anti Conservative slogans. That's the kind of politics I expect from the US. It's come here.

It's a crying shame.

'Business owners will be able to exploit the bonfire of workers' rights, going forward, which will increase business-owners profits which will make GPD look good, thus can be used as a metric to pretend we're all doing GREAT'

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@andymary

Where are these NHS benefits? @andymary ? I'm using 22 year old XRay equipment, repaired using parts scavenged from India.

The Tory party are already putting men into women's prisons. They've been doing it for some years. Even now Sunak is refusing to legistlate for biological sex protections as he can't get his party to back him. Even with a 60 seat majority, Sinn Fein abstaining and pretty much guaranteed support from the DUP.

I'm not in England but I understand that the SDP and Communist Party are straight up and consistent about woman = adult human female for any single issue posters out there.

So you're ok with it?

You don't understand what a disappointment the Labour Party is?

It really shouldn't be a difficult issue for them to care about women. But they don't.

It shouldn't be difficult for them to ask for a public independent inquiry into the impact of Brexit but they won't.

Because they are weak and are controlled by lobby groups.

I'm absolutely not OK with it. But I am well aware of who ceded our rights to their TRAs and continue to do so. The Tories don't give a shit about women and I am tired of the oft repeated lie that they do and are our only hope.

The Tories wrecked women's rights.
The Tories wrecked the country.
Sunak is so weak he can't whip his own party with a massive majority to protect women's rights. He's so weak that he said that a woman is whatever BJ says she is. It's embarrassing.

I am not and have never been a Labour supporter or voter.

I'm never not going to be angry about it. I don't have anything to do with friends who voted for it. The only good thing about it is it's a useful barometer of who to avoid when you encounter people who voted for it.
It's destroyed so much. The racists who voted for it are still miserable.
It's taken my family business years to recover and all of our European work has gone. The people we would have employed in really good jobs are no longer needed.
I don't care what anyone who voted for it thinks of my anger because I have absolutely no respect for them. Awful people.

Sunak is so weak he can't whip his own party with a massive majority to protect women's rights. He's so weak that he said that a woman is whatever BJ says she is. It's embarrassing.

Sunak says a woman is an adult human female. He's not wrong.

Yeah @Jonei, he recently changed his tune. However, if he lied about this before, how can you trust what he says now? Especially as he won't use his government majority to protect Adult Human Female's rights?

Which team was 100% Western-trained? We've always had staff from India and the Philippines in the NHS and they are by and large excellent. Your comments are divisive and unnecessary.

There are also reasons beyond area of training to explain why BAME staff are overrepresented in FtP hearings. Try institutional racism.

If the equipment is 22 years old then isnt it true that it was also approaching obsolescence before and during Brexit? shouldn't there have been a replacement plan in place? Presumably Brexit if managed well (it has not been) with equal market access for medical equipment to could have made replacement bids more competitive, with European makers being unable to rely on duty differences to buffer their prices.

There are no benefits, just as predicted by all sane non-racist experts before the referendum.

And some of the people who voted for it have no idea how shit it has been for the UK, because they have no interest in news and current affairs. A Leave-voting friend groaned when the news came on and the lead story was Brexit - “Oh I’m so sick of Brexit being on the news all the time!” - and this was just months after the referendum. Whenever I expressed concerns about how the negotiations were going, she’d just reply, breezily, “Oh I’m sure it will all be fine!”

And of course it’s much easier to con someone than to get them to admit they were conned.

I had three Leave-voting friends and have dumped them all. I can’t bear that they destroyed my country, and condemned me to die in Brexit Britain. Just hope I die while there’s still an NHS to look after me.

I found one!

Since brexits alterations of the customs/import duty... I have not been charged it on any parcel coming in from the US or Europe, even though I absolutely should have.

Prior to brexit, I'd say it was 50/50 as to whether an imported item would actually have to be paid for, now it seems far less as, presumably, theres far more work involved.

I mean on the other hand theres lots of businesses overseas who simply won't sell to me, a bit of a pisser when the items I want do not have UK distributors, because its too fucking complicated for them (as relatively small businesses) to work it all out.

But hurrah I have swerved several hundred quid in import duty. Yay brexit.

It's madness to dump friends who exercised their democratic right to a different opinion! As for having no contact with anyone who voted for it, that's half the country. That might be your child's teacher, your doctor, the engineer who comes out to fix your boiler. The ones who cba to vote were tacitly agreeing to the outcome. Are you going to ignore 3/4 of the population?

I think a lot of remainers have forgotten what it was like in this country prior to the referendum - years of austerity, successive governments who dismissed any concerns about employment/housing/school places etc as racists. And nothing was changing. Membership of the EU hid a lot of problems that were bubbling under the surface, not least because successive governments were adept at blaming it for policies which benefited them but not the general population.

Brexit voters don't reply to these threads because some posters just want to call us all forelock tugging idiots, incapable of managing our own country. I would agree we are not very revolutionary by nature. But the vote was an attempt to stop doing what we always did and getting what we always got! It was a genuine opportunity to force accountability and change. It's failed because there was no expectation amongst politicians that the public wouldn't do as it was told by DC, so there was no preparation or planning.

I would point out that if British people lack education compared to other European countries, it's because we've had decades of underfunded schools, an education system that doesn't develop non academic skills and expensive degrees that can't always be accessed by those who should be going to university.

Of the people I know who voted for Brexit, none of them did it because of bendy bananas. Many voted for ideological reasons, not^ because of BJ or tabloid campaigns, in spite^ of them

I don't think there are votes in it or the Tories would propose it and steal a march on Labour etc.

The LibDems are saying they would seek to join the SM but they are floundering at about 10% in the 'polls.

Most pro EU voters wont be voting Tory in any case.

No one should underestimate the power of the media to influence elections.

I agree with this.

Developing world / third world isn’t necessary either. BRICS are accelerating faster than G7, have overtaken and in a couple of decades will dominate, time to readjust language.

Is that what you really think?

I agree with you Life I guess we’ll see what happens to personal polling for Starmer and overall as we go on

With respect, OP, I think you should redirect your anger at the idiots who called a referendum and then did nothing to campaign for the benefits of remaining in the EU.
By lazily refusing to answer (legitimate) questions about sovereignty and immigration, and resorting to calling those who tried to ask, as uneducated, bigoted and racist, the Remain Campaign alienated a whole swathe of people in the UK.
After the result, the previous governor of the BoE was asked why he thought the result of the referendum had gone the way it had, he said something along the lines of “if you insult and alienate a large group of voters by dismissing their questions, they are unlikely to vote for your cause”.
Maybe lessons could have been learned from that - however, after reading some of the comments on this thread it seems maybe not!
BTW, I voted to Remain, but wasn’t particularly bothered by the outcome: after all, our membership in the EU represented only just over 40 years of our long history as a nation…

ImAvingOops. Good post.

Maybe lessons could have been learned from that - however, after reading some of the comments on this thread it seems maybe not

Yep.

You'd think Brexit fans would be lording it over the rest of us.

Proud of bestowing all the benefits of Brexit on a grateful nation.

Rather than still blaming someone ejse.