Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

Lol. That’s great for you Verdant. Why post on here just read his press releases if you’re after his thoughts over all others. Funny reply.

But it’s more the Tories doing badly than his greatness, which is reflected in shifting polls. We’ll see where it lands.

The biggest fall in manufacturing output 1945-2020 was 1980-1990, and output peak was 2007.

That manufacturing fell from 20% to 10% of GDP 1997-2010 wasn’t for want of effort (Labour was active capitalising on the EU and attracting inward investment), and was partly due to failure to control the value of the pound. The old industrial base was disappearing and the U.K. for whatever reason was never quite at the forefront of the curve towards automation and innovation generally. The U.K. was doing specialised and integrated platform stuff but the middle sized stuff was all China and Germany.

Labour could have put more emphasis on manufacturing and less on finance, but I don’t think that’s the whole story it’s more of a collective failure.

ItWillWash
But we could have sent [asylum seekers] back [to France] while we were in the EU. That we didn't had nothing at all to do with the EU and everything to do with our own, incompetent government.

Presumably you think the current German government is rather incompetent?
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/46133/germany-unable-to-send-back-most-migrants-under-dublin-rules

Clav, we've had those conversation before. Please make sure you quote my posts in full (there's a nice easy to use button for this) when replying to me. I'm sick of you disingenuously taking parts of lengthy posts and misrepresenting them in subsequent posts.

In the actual post you've taken that snippet from I explain, in a fair amount of detail, the origins of that directive and even state that it was abandoned in 2008.

I was using that as an example because BoJo referred to it repeatedly during the brexit campaign as a reason to leave the EU and it showed how disinterested the leave campaign and brexit supporting media were in reporting accurately / the truth.

By selecting a not even a full sentence of my post you're deliberately trying to manipulate things to suit your narrative and I'll call you out on it every single time.

Not sure what your point is as you don’t make one. The global financial crisis was not the fault of the Labour government.

The realisations Brown refers to were made internationally - no-one realised until the crash the degree of entanglement of global institutions and the spread of risk.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
Clav, we've had those conversation before. Please make sure you quote my posts in full (there's a nice easy to use button for this) when replying to me. I'm sick of you disingenuously taking parts of lengthy posts and misrepresenting them in subsequent posts

I can't see that I have disingenuously quoted you at all.

Quote from your post;
my favourite example is the bendy banana campaign from bojo, the sun, the mail, etc e.g., EU bans bendy bananas

End of my post;
In doing so, the authorities hope they have killed off regulations routinely used by critics - most notably in the British media - to ridicule the meddling tendencies of the EU...

Give it a rest.

People voted how they thought it was best to, based on the information they were fed at the time... it's done, let's just get on with it instead of constantly moaning about it.

Moaners: y’all need to grow up and move one, things are far worse in large swathes of europe. Focus on your own life as you ain’t gonna change anything bigger than that.

my favourite example is the bendy banana campaign from bojo
Stuff like that appeals to people’s emotions. Remain campaigners talked very logically about economic consequences (yawn, too complex). Then Boris just came in and went WE CAN HAVE BENDY BANANAS and people went YESSS!!!

The fact it was Boris was a big factor too. He could say pretty much anything and people went along with it - it was plausible because he was just mad enough that he might actually do it. Some of the stuff he said would simply sound like a lie if it came out of the mouth of a more sensible person.

To be fair - the only reason Labour are doing well is because the Tories have made such a car crash of things. Labour should’ve been much higher in the polling and faster - then weren’t.

The GFC wasn't Brown's doing, and no one financial entity was to blame. Brown and Darling (in particular) actually did a brilliant rescue job, because it was needed, but the real problem started a decade before in the securitisation of loan portfolios. It was the idea that because people don't default on mortgages unless in extremis, you should bundle the loans up and sell them on as safe packages of secured loans. But then every institution wanted more safe loan investment bundles, so the parameters to qualification were lowered so low that banks were incentivised to create loan packs; eventually we ended up with NINJA mortgage loans, for people with No Income, No Job or Assets... NI NJ A. No wonder it ended badly.

Against badly built properties, often. What could possibly have gone wrong?

I was there, working on Wall St, and writing about this stuff in 1985. But it was very small scale then, and it did work, well and efficiently. But it is evidence that models can't be scaled up endlessly.

Private Eye used to have Sid and Doris Bonkers - the fanatical - indeed the only - supporters of Neasden FC.

But I couldn't recall their first names earlier 😂

Even Scunthorpe is predicted to Vote Labour

I assumed Scunthorpe always voted Labour.

Brefugee
you can send unemployed EU citizens out of your country if they don't have a job within 3 months

Jobseekers - residence rights
The first 6 months
As a jobseeker, you don't need to register as a resident for the first 6 months.
But some EU countries require you to report your presence here to the relevant authorities within a reasonable period after arrival: often at the town hall or local police station.

Still looking for a job after 6 months
If you have not found a job during the first 6 months of your stay, the national authorities can assess your right to stay longer. For this, they will ask for evidence that you:

• are actively looking for a job and
• have a good chance of finding one

Can you be deported or asked to leave?

Your host country can ask you to leave if you can't prove that you have a realistic chance of finding work there.
In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy, public security, or public health - but only if it can prove you pose a serious threat.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/jobseekers/index_en.htm#just-moved

December 2017
A Home Office policy to deport rough sleepers from countries in the European Economic Area (EEA) has been ruled unlawful by the high court after a challenge brought on behalf of two Polish men and a Latvian.
Since 2016 the Home Office has designated rough sleeping as an abuse of EU free movement rights in its administrative removal policy.

The court ruled that the Home Office’s position was contrary to EU law...

The European commission has said EU member states have no right to deport EU citizens for being homeless and said EU citizens had a right to live in other EU countries “irrespective of whether they are homeless or not”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

I'm totally with you OP. Still gutted and still angry.

But we do have blue passports again so that's all been worthwhile.

Yes. I read that they're very worried in Spain that they've got record hospital waiting lists for procedures of 0.7 million.

Here in the U.K. of course, it's 7 million.

Even Scunthorpe is predicted to Vote Labour

Looks like a load of nonsense to me - Rishi Sunak is predicted to lose his seat as well;
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Richmond

It's part of the supposedly "Brexit" Red Wall that went Tory in 2019. It's not worked out well for them.

Yes they did.

Don't they mind that they were lied to?

Don't they mind the state of our country since the Brexit bongs?

YANBU

For me, an (unfortunate) reality is that I now feel much freer to care less about certain groups of people. If they actively vote against their own self-interest, it gives me license to care less about them; and to prioritise my own.

That's not 'dragging a weight' around, that's actively choosing to make decisions that benefit me and mine. I can no longer worry about those who aren't smart enough to worry about themselves.

Sorry, but there it is.

To err is human, to forgive is divine.

I have always felt that Brexit was about immigration and Remain failed to see that and address it. They were wittering on about economic consequences, while the Leave voters were thinking “so what, I don’t own a company and if it makes my greedy boss a bit poorer that’s fine by me”.

So they are thick then? What did they think would happen if companies they work for get poorer? 🤣

Meanwhile they were seeing photos of what was happening in Calais, and seeing more countries joining the EU and their workers immediately flooding into the UK under freedom of movement (it had already happened with Poland and at the time of the vote they were threatening to let Turkey join the EU too). So people voted for the government to have the power to put a stop to it.

What was happening at Calais had nothing whatsoever to do with EU membership. The UK Government decided not to apply immigration controls when new EU members joined and there was absolutely zero prospect of Turkey joining the EU. Again, all of this information was freely accessible.

If Remain had said “we actually have more power to control immigration if we stay in the EU” then I think the outcome would have been different.

But that had always been the case, long before the referendum!

How is it the Remain campaign's fault if - based on your analysis here - Leave voters were completely ignorant of what the EU is and how it works and couldn't be bothered to look up clear, publicly available information set out in law so not remotely disputable or contentious?