Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

I think its fair to make comparisons, all major countries furloughed and shut down, Ukraine has hit equally hard.

Why then has the UK suffered so badly?

Its early days of course but so far we have 100% debt to GDP, highest inflation in Europe and world beating super high energy.

Please see the posters early on in this thread questioning the mental health of the OP.

I havent read the thread because the Brexut threads always become quite nasty but IIRC there were plenty of people during the referendum who admitted they didn't think there would be tangible benefits but the important point was that we would have sovereignty - i.e. the right to make our own decisions, however crap that might turn out.

Ultimately, this is democracy. The majority of those who bothered to vote wanted to leave.

I was a Remainer, I now consider myself an Accepter. Stamping my feet about the result wont change it, and I dont think we should try to change a democratic vote just because we disagree with it. I think that's a slippery slope.

I do think Covid and the resulting economic downturn make it difficult to judge what the real impact was.

That's because the polls reflect a more organic public opinion i.e., how people feel based on their everyday lives. But that is of little to no concern to any political party.

Their main concern is keeping the likes of Murdoch, Rothermere, Barclay, Mullen or those UHNW individuals who have their ears onside as they know, that come election time, it is those few who will control the narrative and decide who gets elected.

All it takes is for the Mail / Times / Sun / Express to run few well placed campaigns and enough of the electorate will be manipulated into voting the way they want them to and sway the election result their way.

Brexit was as overt as you could possibly get about it. I've already spoken about how they framed the immigration narrative to favour leave but my favourite example is the bendy banana campaign from bojo, the sun, the mail, etc e.g., EU bans bendy bananas.

The reality is that the bendy banana legislation came from COPA COGECA (an agriculture & food producder collective/body of which the UK were part of at the time) asking the EU to legislate to help improve on the quality of bananas grown by EU (primarily in their overseas territories).

The goal being to make them more competitive/first choice in the banana market (the industry were quite persistent with their lobbying on this). The EU responded and published regulation 2257/94 which stated, amongst other things, that bananas should meet minimum quality standards. It never banned "bendy bananas" from being sold but did classify them into various categories with only some being eligible for sale to the public.

It is also worth reiterating that not only did the EU agricultural industry (including the UK representatives) ask and lobby for this, but they were also heavily involved in writing the directive too! Oh and all this happened in the early 90s, with Regulation 2257/94 coming into effect in 1994, before being dropped in 2008 (I think).

Yet come brexit time all this was ignored, BoJo used it as an example of why leaving the EU would be great for the UK, and the pro-bexit media framed it simply as an example of how mad and overbearing the EU was, which struck a cord with certain sections of the public and gently nudged them towards voting leave.

We'll 100% see similar manipulation campaigns in the run up to the 2024 election, but what's unclear just now is who the media giants/UHNWIs will support.

The attacks are relentless towards Brexiteers. It’s a constant barrage evidence that needs justifying ,of abuse, insults , loaded questions , complaints etc.

Three of the first four replies attack the OPs mental health.

there is no point asking this question. There are none and instead of admitting that, the Brexiteers will attack you and anyone else asking

Yep, this is correct. OP, nobody is going to reverse it (the EU aren’t going to let us back in, for one thing). You know, and I know, and if Brexiters are honest with themselves they also know, that this was a pointless gimmick which has had no benefits and lots of negatives, as everyone except Boris and Nigel predicted.

But nobody likes being reminded they were a gullible twat, or racist twat, so you won’t get a positive response on here.

My position during 2016 was conflicted. I swung through the arc of 0.2% indecision, from just preferring to remain, to just preferring Leave -- usually on alternating days. Had there been a Reform option, I would have chosen that. But there wasn't. So I asked DS, then 17.8 months, how he would prefer me to cast the vote as he would be the person living with the outcome.

Posters who have explained their misgivings about the EU's governance sound as if they were struggling to balance all the same arguments as I was. I voted to stay in the EEC in 1975, and thought there should have been a vote on Maastricht in 1992 before embracing the EU. With hindsight it is easy to point out all the roads not taken, but right now, we find ourselves disadvantaged, handicapped by a poor (hopefully improving) government and a poor opposition.

Time and reality will kill off Brexit.

We just have to wait.

I hate seeing our country go down the tubes in the meantime, but that's just how it is.

Yes continuously questioning democracy and belabouring the mute points, particularly when those points have nothing to do with Brexit, means you are mentally sound and perfectly reasonable indeed.

Those that cannot accept a democratic decision tend to be the same self absorbed narcissists that only cared about themselves that were falling over themselves to hand over freedoms and liberties quicker than PM' fart throughout in 2020-2022. If it was 1939, they'd be the first to join you know whom.

In other words, many don't care that YOU can now go on holiday to Europe without a visa for 3 month Only (or whatever it currently is), if that means a local person can now get a job easier.

5000 cab drivers didn't return to their jobs after the two years of covid restrictions, in your simple mind, it's probably because of Brexit? It's because people had to get other jobs to survive since their industry was essentially closed down for over 2 years.

They felt they had nothing to lose. The reality is they could lose a lot. And they have.

I was a Remainer, I now consider myself an Accepter. Stamping my feet about the result wont change it, and I dont think we should try to change a democratic vote just because we disagree with it. I think that's a slippery slope

Yeah, I think that's pretty much how I feel about it.

They feltthey had nothing to lose. Therealityis they could lose a lot. And they have.

Well yes. But some more than others. Those who had nothing are still pretty much in the same position.

The only upside I can see is that there's not so much of hideous Farage on the tv as there was before.

Remainers did say that, many times over and over - but yes, you're right, it was lost in the noise of all the economic predictions, unfortunately, and every reasonable comment from Remain then got shouted down, ignored and dubbed "Project Fear".

I didn't for one moment truly believe the country would vote leave; nor, I think, did the Cameron government of the time. This was simply a [very stupid] move to appease his Eurosceptic back benchers and avoid issues with division in the party.

The campaign made it transparent that not only did the electorate have no clue what they were voting for, neither did any UK politician. It was later very clear they did not have one solitary clue what to do in the event that the country returned a vote they didn't expect.

Seems both they and I seriously overestimated our compatriots.

It also seemed impossible to conceive that any prime minster could leave us with as atrocious a legacy as that of Tony Blair. Step forward, Cameron.

Both sides are guilty of pretty vituperative attacks from the other. I have had Remainer friends spat on and called traitors who deserve the death penalty for their views. That has perhaps calmed down a little as Brexit is unfolding as the disaster that it is. But yes, just look at the first few posts and you can see that the name calling is on both sides.

And democracy depends on clear, accurate information - that was absolutely not the case in this referendum, so why should people just shut up and accept something riddled with lies? Democracy depends on the right of people to challenge and argue their point of view - not to be told to shut up and put up with it. It's astonishing that people who claim to believe in democracy want to silence people in this way.

Leavers don't like people talking about brexit. It makes them uncomfortable. So they are trying to shut you down and make out you are mad. Wait for them to pretend they voted Remain as well as they're embarrassed at contributing to the brexit shitshow

I don’t think people are being silenced. These threads run often.

I wondering why with all this anger it’s not being represented in any way politically

I experienced that too. The government gave away British fishing rights as part of the deal to join the EU, destroying British fishing industries. A lot of older people are still salty about that. After Brexit there was a great deal of schadenfreude, “now we’ve done to you what you did to us in the 70s, by taking away the fishing rights and destroying your businesses, like you destroyed ours when you took those same rights from us”.

Labour’s top 50 achievements between 1997 and 2010 -

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Because the entire thread is another attack. Give it a rest.

Sorry, this is bad why? The immigrants that are coming now from these ‘far flung’ places tend to be more highly skilled than the lower skilled Europeans.

And anyone who applied to pick fruit and veg during lockdown will know we definitely DO have people to pick it, but the farmers don’t want us as we wouldn’t pay them a large percentage of a wage to live in an on-site caravan. They exploited foreign workers.

Erm because there ARE NO benefits of Brexit?

see? That’s not opinion, it’s fact

Windingdown Yes best years we’ve had in this country in my lifetime and I’m middle aged. Definitely wasn’t perfect and Iraq was unforgivable, but home leadership was the best it’s ever been and worryingly, nothing better on the horizon.