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Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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N0addedsalt · 12/04/2023 07:40

I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

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LyndaLaHughes · 12/04/2023 14:50

So now people genuinely looking for benefits of Brexit aren't bitter anymore they have mental health problems? Unbelievable. Op, there is no point asking this question. There are none and instead of admitting that, the Brexiteers will attack you and anyone else asking.
This government have utterly destroyed the country in so many ways- but those who voted for them and Brexit, both of which have done irreparable damage, will do anything rather than hold their hands up and admit their mistake.

Jonei · 12/04/2023 14:57

but those who voted for them and Brexit, both of which have done irreparable damage, will do anything rather than hold their hands up and admit their mistake.

And if they did that, admitted the mistake, then what?
Would it make you feel better somehow?
Because I can't see what else it would achieve.
Apart from those people making themselves a target for the remainers to focus their rage upon.
We're not going to be rejoining anytime soon.

Howpo · 12/04/2023 14:58

EffortlessDesmond · 12/04/2023 14:43

Russia is out-performing the UK because of its energy exports: no other reasons.

Thats an extremely low bar, remove Russia (i wish) and we are still doing worse than any comparable economy.

Sorry but the heady days of N.Sea oil/gas coming to save us from our own folly is history.

TheyclosedmyCosta · 12/04/2023 15:04

So now people genuinely looking for benefits of Brexit aren't bitter anymore they have mental health problems?

Are they genuinely looking for benefits though? Its not rhetoric?

blackpearwhitelilies · 12/04/2023 15:05

Jonei · 12/04/2023 14:57

but those who voted for them and Brexit, both of which have done irreparable damage, will do anything rather than hold their hands up and admit their mistake.

And if they did that, admitted the mistake, then what?
Would it make you feel better somehow?
Because I can't see what else it would achieve.
Apart from those people making themselves a target for the remainers to focus their rage upon.
We're not going to be rejoining anytime soon.

Taking responsibility for the vote and the impact of the vote would indicate a more mature approach to seeing where we are and what we need to do. Maybe we could rejoin sooner rather than later - many senior EU figures have said that they would welcome us back. Admitting a mistake would change the polling and make this more of a likelihood.

ImAvingOops · 12/04/2023 15:08

Serious question but who else were people supposed to vote for? There's been no credible opposition for a long time - the left is eating itself in its obsession with identity politics and either unelectable or lacklustre leaders. The LibDems screwed themselves over when they got into bed with the tories.

Jonei · 12/04/2023 15:09

blackpearwhitelilies · 12/04/2023 15:05

Taking responsibility for the vote and the impact of the vote would indicate a more mature approach to seeing where we are and what we need to do. Maybe we could rejoin sooner rather than later - many senior EU figures have said that they would welcome us back. Admitting a mistake would change the polling and make this more of a likelihood.

I think that is very wishful thinking. But set up a petition. And see what happens.

EffortlessDesmond · 12/04/2023 15:09

@Howpo I agree with you that the heady prospects of being an energy-export economy are long gone, but the longer term outlook for Russia (I too wish VPutin would vanish) is pretty dreadful, even worse that the UK.

WeAreBorg · 12/04/2023 15:12

If there had been any benefits the Brexit lot would still be banging on about them. There would be relentless self-congratulatory parties of chubby shiny faced people with bad combovers waving flags all over the shop.

Jonei · 12/04/2023 15:16

Not necessarily. A lot of people voted brexit because they felt they had nothing to lose. Or necessarily gain. But felt it didn't matter when they had nothing anyway.

SchrodingersParrot · 12/04/2023 15:20

Serious question but who else were people supposed to vote for? There's been no credible opposition for a long time

This is true. Corbyn's attitude to Europe has always been lukewarm at best, and Starmer appears not to want to be seen to oppose Brexit.

BrimFire · 12/04/2023 15:25

WeAreBorg · 12/04/2023 15:12

If there had been any benefits the Brexit lot would still be banging on about them. There would be relentless self-congratulatory parties of chubby shiny faced people with bad combovers waving flags all over the shop.

Nice.
What do you look like I wonder and why looking like that makes your opinion the right one?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 12/04/2023 15:28

YABU to expect any answers.

If there were any benefits for most of us, Brexiters would be falling over themselves to present a list.

Abhannmor · 12/04/2023 15:28

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/04/2023 13:02

Mirabai, that is interesting but if the financial benefits were always on the side of remain, how on earth did the politicians let this happen in the first place? What would compel them to to re-join?

Presumably we'd have to join Schengen and, if that were held up to a vote - to swap our Sterling for Euros, I imagine we'd lose that vote too. We do not have sound politicians capable of facilitating the UK re-joining and that is something that everybody should be angry about.

There are some really knowledgeable posters here who are really into politics and have a great understanding of it; I'm definitely not one of them so am really interested in the whys and wherefores if you can point me in that direction please.

There is a YouTube channel A Different Bias , run by a chap called Phil Moorehouse. Very informative. Although I'm a bit of a current affairs junkie I get confused with all the various regulations and bodies involved.

It's a weird pre election period now. Polls showing a sizeable majority think Brexit has failed yet both major parties trying to ignore it , for fear of upsetting Fred and Mavis Bonkers of Leicester East.

Lonelycrab · 12/04/2023 15:38

There is a YouTube channel A Different Bias , run by a chap called Phil Moorehouse

+1. Highly recommend this guy too.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/04/2023 15:48

@Abhannmor Ha, ha- I usually use Brian and Brenda from Scunthorpe

LyndaLaHughes · 12/04/2023 16:04

Jonei · 12/04/2023 14:57

but those who voted for them and Brexit, both of which have done irreparable damage, will do anything rather than hold their hands up and admit their mistake.

And if they did that, admitted the mistake, then what?
Would it make you feel better somehow?
Because I can't see what else it would achieve.
Apart from those people making themselves a target for the remainers to focus their rage upon.
We're not going to be rejoining anytime soon.

Actually- I've seen some rare occasions where people have put their hands up and admit they've made a mistake. I can't speak for anyone else but I have great respect for anyone who can actually admit they got it wrong. They were lied to and it is the liars who bear the brunt of my "rage" as you call it. My issue is with those who attack "remainers" instead of engaging with the facts. It's the same people who attack anyone who criticises this government despite the overwhelming evidence that that are totally and utterly shit. The pattern is familiar all over social media- evidence is presented in a calm way with facts and data and the response is personal attacks or - my personal favourite- the laughing emoji. There is never a counter argument based in fact. It is clearly because one just doesn't exist in either case defending Brexit or the Tories.

Dogwalker56 · 12/04/2023 16:11

LyndaLaHughes · 12/04/2023 16:04

Actually- I've seen some rare occasions where people have put their hands up and admit they've made a mistake. I can't speak for anyone else but I have great respect for anyone who can actually admit they got it wrong. They were lied to and it is the liars who bear the brunt of my "rage" as you call it. My issue is with those who attack "remainers" instead of engaging with the facts. It's the same people who attack anyone who criticises this government despite the overwhelming evidence that that are totally and utterly shit. The pattern is familiar all over social media- evidence is presented in a calm way with facts and data and the response is personal attacks or - my personal favourite- the laughing emoji. There is never a counter argument based in fact. It is clearly because one just doesn't exist in either case defending Brexit or the Tories.

This....exactly this! Well said and couldn't agree more.

BrimFire · 12/04/2023 16:18

LyndaLaHughes · 12/04/2023 16:04

Actually- I've seen some rare occasions where people have put their hands up and admit they've made a mistake. I can't speak for anyone else but I have great respect for anyone who can actually admit they got it wrong. They were lied to and it is the liars who bear the brunt of my "rage" as you call it. My issue is with those who attack "remainers" instead of engaging with the facts. It's the same people who attack anyone who criticises this government despite the overwhelming evidence that that are totally and utterly shit. The pattern is familiar all over social media- evidence is presented in a calm way with facts and data and the response is personal attacks or - my personal favourite- the laughing emoji. There is never a counter argument based in fact. It is clearly because one just doesn't exist in either case defending Brexit or the Tories.

But no one attacks Remainers?

The attacks are relentless towards Brexiteers. It’s a constant barrage evidence that needs justifying ,of abuse, insults , loaded questions , complaints etc.

Its done. Right or wrong, Brexit or Remain it makes no odds whatsoever now. It will be whatever successive governments make of it.

fairywhale · 12/04/2023 16:21

What has Brexit got to do with it? The economy was switched off for 2.5 years to protect those with health anxiety and those of humble intelligence and bleating disposition from covid - an illness defined by the nhs and government throughout the period as typically mild. Many businesses and industries were wiped out including those that took furlough money and ran with it and those that elected to capitalise on it in other way.
Free for all money=inflation/cost of living crisis, these are simple laws of Economics. The country borrowed more than during the WWII to fund that.
Did you expect any other outcome?
How does Brexit come into it? Or have you forgotten what was happening only 2 years ago and still is to a degree in some areas and industries?

verdantverdure · 12/04/2023 16:23

It could be almost two years before we have a general election.

A lot can change in that time, and there are no manifestos out.

The U.K. hasn't hit rock bottom yet. We still have a distance to fall.

We probably have to add rising unemployment to the mix before some people "get it."

Maybe some people have to see their children playing Pooh Sticks on British beaches with actual poo? Or get tummy upsets from the E Coli from paddling in a country stream?

Maybe they need a holiday season in full Brexit. (Easter 2024?) It might take the chaos of border checks finally happening, or the repeal of EU law?

Brexit is its own punishment. It always gives you the opposite of what it promised.

We just need to get to the point where everyone but the loons accepts that we need to go back in.

(The loons will never accept it because they're loons.)

And we're almost there.

WeAreBorg · 12/04/2023 16:25

BrimFire · 12/04/2023 15:25

Nice.
What do you look like I wonder and why looking like that makes your opinion the right one?

I just think shave your head and own your scalp shape. Maybe wear less polyester? Even people who make stupid voting decisions can look good, they just need to try!

Jonei · 12/04/2023 16:25

The attacks are relentless towards Brexiteers. It’s a constant barrage evidence that needs justifying ,of abuse, insults , loaded questions , complaints etc.

I agree. And there are some calm rational debates. But I've also seen a lot of personal attacks towards brexiteers. Their intelligence, how they look, and so on. Even on this thread. Which is extremely ugly behaviour. What brexiteer in their right mind is going to put their hand up and say, yes, I did it. And then get a virtual kicking for it. I voted remain. But I hate this behaviour I see in many remainers.

Windingdown · 12/04/2023 16:26

fairywhale · 12/04/2023 16:21

What has Brexit got to do with it? The economy was switched off for 2.5 years to protect those with health anxiety and those of humble intelligence and bleating disposition from covid - an illness defined by the nhs and government throughout the period as typically mild. Many businesses and industries were wiped out including those that took furlough money and ran with it and those that elected to capitalise on it in other way.
Free for all money=inflation/cost of living crisis, these are simple laws of Economics. The country borrowed more than during the WWII to fund that.
Did you expect any other outcome?
How does Brexit come into it? Or have you forgotten what was happening only 2 years ago and still is to a degree in some areas and industries?

This doesn't explain why Britain is doing so badly now compared to other G7 and G20 countries.

Jonei · 12/04/2023 16:26

And just cross posted with one as I typed.
Fucking grim.

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