Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

So many leavers never openly admitted they voted Brexit due to immigration.

Some of these were so stupid as most of them didn't realise that as the borders to Europe closed, there would be more people coming from other parts of the world (in fact, some of these Brexiteers didn't realise the difference between EU and non-EU immigration). Britain has unexpectedly created a record flow of migrant workers from lower-income countries instead.

Ok, guess I’m going to get some stick for this….
I voted to stay in because I was concerned about whether leaving would result in more pressure to break up the UK

I seriously considered voting leave because the EU seems to be a club which benefits the rich countries at the expense of the poorer ones.

Eg, the Euro allows more developed countries (France & especially Germany) to increase their exports to other EU countries without experiencing an upward pressure on their exchange rates. This mechanism would usually make goods for eg Germany more expensive and goods from eg Greece much cheaper. The Euro makes Germany more competitive IN ALL markets and eg Greece less competitive - so Greece is poorer than it would be and Germany is richer.
When this happens within a country, tax and regional development helps to even things out - we all benefit because London earns lots of money. That mechanism doesn’t exist within the EU, Germany just loans money to poorer countries, which they have to take because otherwise they will have to leave the Euro, and the loans seemed to come with some pretty draconian requirements about how the country is managed.

Alongside that, I believe immigration is a good thing for our country. I think we should be able to support immigration based on the skills we need. I don’t think that people from eg SE Asia, or Africa should be disadvantaged in that system compared with Europeans.

Finally, I think that our country needs to be more self-reliant in terms of food, and that we should be able to pay farmers for providing additional services such as managing the land for carbon sequestration and water regulation.

Brexit gives us the tools to address all of these issues. The fact that I didn’t trust those in power to use them properly is also a reason why I voted to stay. But I do really hate it when people imply there was no good reason to vote to leave.

It’s easier to see how it happened though. We are a weirdly compliant nation. We lose rights, many rights, see we were lied to, are poorer than we should be and when people point this out they get told they are mentally ill for not ‘moving on’ whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

This would never happen in France.

The end of free movement of people. Large numbers of non-British citizens have left the UK.

We now have no-one to pick fruit and veg, not enough medical staff, care home staff, car industry workers etc.

So what is the solution? To bring in immigrants from further flung countries. Which Remainers told Brexiters would happen, they just didn’t listen.

Well as Trollope said, “it’s the line of the French to be clever.”

Ans they are much, much more politically engaged.

There are none so will be very hard . It always amazes me when brexiters get upset to being told how stupid they behaved . I think it’s time they realised their mistake I stead of keep on defending something that has nil defende .
MITs a bit like racists and bigots , I don’t even entertain anyone if I know they voted for brexit , nit as friends not as a business or in any way .

So many of our young are trying to leave it has really shocked me.

It's only the kength of time that it takes to get visas and Irish passports that has delayed some of them.

That's how I felt. I voted to remain and was very saddened by the result. However I accepted it. I hated the crowing of "Brexiteers" who just seemed to see victory as a thing in its own right, something that made them happy because it upset people they disagreed with. After all these years it is obvious that there is nothing positive about it, even the much vaunted blue passports are made in Poland. We have become an impoverished, isolated and backward thinking island. The decision to leave the EU is having a devastating effect on the future of our young people. When I go to the supermarket the half empty shelves remind me of news features of Eastern Germany before the wall came down. Things feel so bleak, Brexit was a massive act of self-harm and the regrets will be felt for generations to come. I think we will go back in some shape or form but not in what is left of my life time. It is a tragedy and one that the country inflicted on itself by falling prey to manipulation by powerful people who stood to benefit while the rest of us suffer. It was Johnson's route to power, he would have backed anything that facilitate his path to what he thought of as his birthright, the keys to No10. Whole thing has been a massive con trick and as usual, it is the ordinary people who are paying the price

I know - I was at the Kite Festival last summer and the car parking staff were all Indian on education visas at places I had never heard of and got talking to security who said a lot of these places were just a ruse to get a visa and the authorities were that troubled about it. Oh, and Stop the Boats - we had the Dublin Convention that allowed us to send them back to France, but we left that as well.

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/country-responsible-asylum-application-dublin-regulation_en

We just need another referendum and we can get our country back on track.

Then Labour should advertise the fact they will do this. If so many people are so keen to rejoin - then, as a pp said, why on earth aren’t Labour capitalising on this?

That doesn't work any more now that everyone looking with us unblinkered eyes agrees that Brexit is an ongoing disaster for our country.

The snide digs about OP's mental health speak more eloquently than any ardent Brexiter could.

I'm experiencing issues with huge import charges from EU countries, an inability to order from some sites of which I was a regular customer, an inability to travel extensively on the continent, irritatingly long passport queues, and fewer options for future retirement whereas relatives have moved to Germany, France and Scandinavia.

The country has experienced - bearing in mind some people's primary reasons for voting 'leave' - a breakdown in arrangements between France and UK meaning they are not policing illegal channel crossings and numbers have increased by two thirds since the referendum, a downturn in investment into the country, exponential, and huge, rises in living costs, immigration options out of the UK restricted, some of those living on the continent having no real option but to return. And since EU law no longer applies to use, we are merrily pumping sewage into the seas, with the result that some of our loveliest beaches are now rendered unusable: we are being warned not to use these areas and to stay out of the sea.

As to the issue of democratic accountability, I have yet to see a reasoned argument from a Brexiter as to why this is a bad thing coming from Brussels, but apparently a-okay when it emanates from within our own borders. All Brexit has done is effectively removed many of the checks and balances preventing our governments (with a flawed first-past-the-post electoral system granting them far too much power in the first place) from acting with impunity.

If you think that the archaic, unfit-for-purpose, nepotistic hereditary monarchy provides such checks and balances then frankly you deserve to be fooled.

A good many 'leave' voters now claim that in hindsight, they'd have voted very differently. Plenty others bleat 'raaaaah, you LOST!', when it's clear the whole country has lost along with it.

For what they have done to this country, I for one will never forgive them.

They don't need to do a damn thing.

Most people are going to vote for them anyway.

They’re concerned they’ll lose if they lose the Brexit voter

Finally, I think that our country needs to be more self-reliant in terms of food, and that we should be able to pay farmers for providing additional services such as managing the land for carbon sequestration and water regulation.

We don't have enough land for this ever to be a possibility. We physically could not grow/farm enough to be self-reliant.

@NC523 Brexit gives us the tools to address all of these issues

We always did, Brexit doesn’t give us anything we didn’t already have on that front.

There are benefits, of course there are benefits. They just might not be the ones that benefit 'normal working people'. For example:

Environmental agency no longer required to keep to the EU standards for not dumping raw sewage in the rivers and the water around our coastline

The EU was getting ever smarter in getting on top of tax avoidance. Their anti-tax avoidance measures are no longer enforced for people in the UK. If you have significant off shore holdings, that could potentially keep millions out of the hands of the UK tax authority.

Those are just the first two that came to mind. Not surprisingly, these 'benefits' are not widely publicised.

I'm also curious to hear of the supposed benefits OP. I don't know many people who actually voted to leave(fortunately) but those who I know voted for it overwhelmingly did so for jingoistic and xenophobic reasons and steadfastly refused to acknowledge all of the economic advice. One relative even admitted to, "not having a clue so just picked one on the voting paper." 🙄 I do find it interesting that replies from the Brexiters are mostly vague at best as I found were their reasons for voting that way in the first place. I wonder how many are regretting the way they voted now. 🤷

Yes. Patience people! Only 43 years to go and I'm sure you'll start to see some improvements. Stop whining.

Mirabai we can only take so many additional people. If anyone from EU is entitled to come, that means we can take fewer from other countries
IWillWash that’s actually not true (NC523 PhD environmental Science)

the snide digs about OP's mental health speak more eloquently than any ardent Brexiter could.

Exactly.

If there were tangible benefits they would be listing them rather than making personal attacks

Well, yes. Actions have consequences. Shocker, I know.

Any sensible Government would begin by rejoining the single market and customs union. There was never a mandate to leave those, the EU is open to that, and it would provide a way forward for now that stops the perpetual decline of the UK being inevitable.

The question is why no UK political party is proposing to do this while they are all simultaneously gaslighting the UK population by claiming that they care about the COL crisis and that it's really hard for them to pay public sector workers properly or pay for proper services or reduce the highest tax burden in 70 years. Meanwhile they know full well that being outside the single market and customs union is costing the UK £50bn annually and compounding (equivalent to the entire state education budget).

Is the new Tory directive to question the MH of people who question their disastrous policies now?

And no point telling people they need help. MH is utterly fucked in this country, along with the rest of the NHS, so there's no help to be had.

The Rees Mogg 50 years thing is just another lie.

A literal "Long Con" for their Brexit marks.

It's bad enough that our country has been held back by Brexit for 7 years.

It would be reality denying to the point of insanity to let the decline continue for another four decades.

There's no help to be had love.

Thanks to Brexit and the party who sold you that pup.