Those of you who voted for Brexit when is it going to get better and how?

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I didn’t and didn’t see any benefits. Tried to refocus anger about the lies during the campaign to resignation and acceptance. Was ready to try and embrace/ focus on positives and move forward but still really can’t see any. Now just getting increasingly worried and also fearful.

Hit me with all the benefits and when we’re going to see them impacting our lives.

I live by the sea. There were a lot of celebrations at the harbour when Leave won. The tone of conversations now is very different. But there's a weird cognitive dissonance where certain people I know brighten up at the word Brexit, then go back to talking about how shit trade is and how expensive everything is getting, and how the French are being very mean, without seemingly putting 2 and 2 together.

I feel patriotic and positive.

We've turned a corner.

Most people can see the lies now.

Brexit's days are numbered.

The way our (flawed) electoral system is set up, Labour realistically needs the Scottish vote if they're going to win.

A downturn in support for the SNP may or may not reap dividends in that respect. 18 months is a long time in politics.

So disappointing on so many levels.

What with this and not knowing, or lying about, what a woman is.

If this is the best that the opposition can do I don't hold much hope for them if they do get into power.

Yes, my parents almost seem "programmed" like Pavlovs dogs.

(A terrible thing to say I know, but I don't have any other way to describe it.)

"In short, it's failed because of the calibre of our politicians"

I was in the remain camp and I couldn't believe that the people around me (in Liverpool) were putting their faith in a Tory government. On every bus stop was "funded by the EU". Our transport has gone to shit, especially for a big city with the tourism we have. I partly blame Labour for not educating people. In the 8/90's counsellors would be round the pubs etc. It was treated as a bit of a joke by many, I don't think that they thought Brexit would win. Like Wales, Liverpool was the Turkey voting for Christmas.

If Brexit was any good we'd all know by now.

It would be obvious in our daily lives.

We know Brexit is bad for our country in the same way. Look at the state of us!

We don't need graphs showing everything but the cost of living and NHS waiting lists on a downward trajectory. We can see it with our own eyes.

We've never had it so bad and there are two reasons why: Brexit and the Tories.

A downturn in support for the SNP may or may not reap dividends in that respect. 18 months is a long time in politics.

It would be brilliant if Labour put forward a rejoin the single market and customs union platform, won all the Scottish seats and therefore could win overall without the hardline Brexiteers in the "red wall" who still won't admit they are deluded. This platform would also guarantee them many seats in the "blue wall" who are disgusted by the Conservatives. Would be interesting to see the electoral maths on this.

There's no advantage for Labour in rehashing the Brexit debate.

And there's no need. They're way ahead in every poll.

Then you don’t get what you’re after.

The only way to get it is if they rehash the debate.

Their lead is slipping anyway. They don’t want to lose Brexit voters.

OP can I ask, and not in a nasty way! What did you do during the remain/leave campaigns to help?
if you feel so strongly that we were to remain how did you contribute?

Labour are way ahead in the polls, they don't need to rock the boat by promising anything. Brexit has only just happened, it's a contentious issue and you know full well the Tories and Tory press would berate any Labour MP who suggested we should go back in. People don't like to be told they were wrong, even if the evidence is right there in front of them and they know it really.

I would guess all the political parties (once the Tories have purged themselves of the Braverman/Rees-Mogg types) will gradually moved their policies towards greater connection with the EU over the next 20 years, until rejoining is seen as the next sensible move.

Because the decision to gain entry back into the EU is not in any UK political party's gift, it would be down to the EU.

I feel patriotic and positive

See there’s the thing. I also feel patriotic as I care deeply about this country, its future and how my ds will grow up inside it.

Leave campaign and the current govt have constantly portrayed themselves as the patriots, yet their actions have demonstrably weakened our country, economically and culturally.

And Brexit supporters don’t want to hear any talk of Brexit being damaging when the reality is now obvious. Get over it! Bore off! they say, when it’s simply people wanting what is best for the country, or rather, not wanting the worst.

So I’d say it’s clearly the supporters of Brexit that are anti- patriotic. They just don’t care about this country- if they truly did, they would speak up.

It’s like a deep schism has been entrenched in our national identity.
Patriotism turned on its head, and no one really knows what’s what anymore.

Still, I should imagine Putin is very happy at our diminishing position.

Their lead is not slipping away. It's reduced a bit since the Truss madness, but they're still on for a comprehensive victory. Westminster voting intention yesterday had them 14 points clear.

I would have voted Remain if it was still the 9 countries membership of the EU, 27 countries are too many, eg Romania, the crime rate there is off the scale.
27 countries are too many for an organisation which dictates to the UK about borders, laws, commerce and economy. Has anyone heard of the Hanseatic League?

It doesn’t need to re join just SM / CU but it’s ruled out already

That’s a pretty hardline Brexit position. Even if people are angry on here it’s not translating to dismissing the Brexit voter as unimportant

It’s more important to Labour that they don’t lose them

But they don't need to say they will offer a new referendum.

An independent review into the impacts would be adequate.

What I really can't bear is the apathy. How can the opposition party ignore the elephant in the room entirely?

The road back to EU membership will involve prolonged negotiations and we will have to meet the EU's conditions. We may not regain our Veto and £Sterling will have to go.

Before we can begin on this journey we will have to heal and detoxify the debate. For that to happen, the shambolic, chaotic, corrupt Conservatives have to go.

@vera99 I work in a co working centre where they also do the visa applications - for the last 6 months it has been wall to wall every day with people- virtually all from Asia, Africa and Indonesia. Mainly families with quite a few children too- all needing services and housing and no doubt here long term- clearly not all brain surgeons either. Now i don't have a particular issue with this but I must admit it totally jars in the throat that we have lost so many rights and caused considerable harm in many industries just to accommodate so many Brexiters xenophobic views and that unbeknown to many of these voters , (being kept pretty quiet) we are actually having record amounts of immigration- they are going on about the boats etc to try and hide the fact that mass immigration is happening anyway, but flying in legitimately on Air India etc .

There’s all sorts of discussions around other issues and you can see the impact on the parties

But this is just hardline Brexit still. All the charts / polls people put up aren’t featuring.

It must be because that voter is key

I'd say this is very much the debate we need to have nationally. Brexiteers can hide away from it if they want, or try to shut down the conversation, but its not going to go away.

My money's on Labour making re-entry to the European Economic Area a policy commitment just prior to the 2029/2030 general election.

One use of this type of thread (for the naysayers) - is to gauge the difference in responses over time:

1. Tangible provable negative effects now clear and unarguable
2. Far fewer Leavers talking unicorns than formerly
3. More Leavers admitting it was a mistake

It must be because that voter is key

Along with the trans lobby.

Shocking really.

Before we can begin on this journey we will have to heal and detoxify the debate. For that to happen, the shambolic, chaotic, corrupt Conservatives have to go.

You have more faith in the LP than I do. At best they are apathetic, at worst they are under the control of lobby groups.

Neither party is trustworthy.

I think that is true but if we'd won and remained, nothing at all would have changed. For some people, their lives were already hard and I think that played a massive part in the decision by them to vote to leave; they wanted a shake-up of politics, just a change as it had to be (in their view) for the better.

I live in South Wales where there has been significant ERDF funding and watching the news from the valleys with young people wanting to leave, it was excruciating. The cameras panned across signage of an ERDF-funded bypass with the person earnestly declaring that it was better to leave.

It is sad. It is shocking that the public was ever given the vote in the first place when the obvious thing was to maintain status quote and stay. People do what they want, I recall the first year when all posters screamed about was the loss of their childrens' rights to study abroad. That was not the most tragic aspect for me but people are selfish and care for themselves and their own wants.

I don't think we can go back now and what would be the point other than the squandering of yet more millions?

What should happen is that the government - who made this happen - be legally held to account and to explain the benefits. We'd all like to know what those are, whichever side we were on.