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To think some people don't realise

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CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 17:54

A few years ago we were a surviving on 30k as a household. It was tight but fine. That was one wage. I was a SAHP as it was cheaper than nursery fees.

We're a family of three with two cats. That's 2 adults and a 4 year old.

Now we have an income of just over 40k and things are harder than ever and we've never struggled so much. That's one wage, child benefit and a student maintenance loan.

We have £5 in the bank to last until 25th of the month. Some food but not much. Both cars need fuel. Before if things were tight there was always some way to get by. Small savings pot (under 1k) we also overpay into our bills account every month not much but would mean if things got tight there might be a spare £100 in there we could use.

Now we have no savings, no spare in the bills account. A combined over draft of £2000 now maxed.

Never thought I'd be wishing DC was back at school to benefit from the school dinner every day.

Desperately trying to get a job. Looking for something that pays about 20k. Would replace maintenance loan and give us 11k extra a year. So far all rejections.

Partner has also managed to get a job paying 8k more a year but doesn't start until May so won't see the benefit until the end of May.

Just feels relentless at the moment.

Saw a thread on here recently with lots of posters saying 85k was nothing in London and people on benefits had a ton of money and had no idea what it was like trying to survive on 85k with no help. I know it's bloody expensive in London but from my own perspective, 85k would be a dream. We don't qualify for benefits beside child benefit which is £87.20 every four weeks.

As I said, a few years ago we got by on 30k and now we're struggling on 40k.

AIBU to think some people don't understand that there's a huge middle section of people who don't recieve benefits but earn under 50k?

I imagine struggling a lot more than those on 85k.

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AreMyDucksinarow · 10/04/2023 20:02

I understand and agree about the squeezed middle. Royally pisses me off.

When dc were small were so much better off! Dh was on about 27k I was on about 16k Food was cheaper, electric and gas cheaper, childcare was cheaper. Fuel for cars was a lot less. Our mortgage was £1250 a month.

I used to feed 4 of us, 2 dogs and 3 cats on £60 a week, now I spend £150 a week just on food not including pet food (we now have less pets) Electric and gas used to be £150/200 a month now just electric is £400 per month, fuel for cars we are now spending £100/120 a week on fuel used to me no more than £50/60 for the both of them.

It all adds up, and for some reason even tho there are jobs available it took dh 8 months to find a better one

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:03

You'll get tax free childcare when you work.

CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 20:04

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:03

You'll get tax free childcare when you work.

My DS is in school :)

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thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:05

CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 20:04

My DS is in school :)

Yes for breakfast and aftershock club. Was just saying as ita a sort of benefit that might help?

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:06

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:05

Yes for breakfast and aftershock club. Was just saying as ita a sort of benefit that might help?

Afterschool club!

CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 20:07

AreMyDucksinarow · 10/04/2023 20:02

I understand and agree about the squeezed middle. Royally pisses me off.

When dc were small were so much better off! Dh was on about 27k I was on about 16k Food was cheaper, electric and gas cheaper, childcare was cheaper. Fuel for cars was a lot less. Our mortgage was £1250 a month.

I used to feed 4 of us, 2 dogs and 3 cats on £60 a week, now I spend £150 a week just on food not including pet food (we now have less pets) Electric and gas used to be £150/200 a month now just electric is £400 per month, fuel for cars we are now spending £100/120 a week on fuel used to me no more than £50/60 for the both of them.

It all adds up, and for some reason even tho there are jobs available it took dh 8 months to find a better one

Totally agree with this.

I've been job hunting for a few months now and not had any luck. I've applied for jobs I'm qualified for, under qualified for and over qualified for and had 0 luck with any.

Well, I had an interview lined up for a 10 hour a week cleaning job. Not enough but it was something. Then I got struck down with an ear infection the day before the interview, let them know and tried to rearrange, was waiting to see Dr for antibiotics, pain was so bad I couldn't get out of bed. Well, it just made me look unreliable and they wouldn't rearrange the interview.

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CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 20:08

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:05

Yes for breakfast and aftershock club. Was just saying as ita a sort of benefit that might help?

Ah thanks. Didn't know you could use the tax free for wrap around care. Though annoyingly the school don't offer an afterschool club which makes things 1000x harder! They do have a breakfast club at least

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Moreorlessmentallystable · 10/04/2023 20:20

StreamingCervix · 10/04/2023 18:32

Genuinely, how do you cope? £22k take home? With a £700 mortgage? The average council tax is now £2k a year, mostly split across 10 monthly payments.

Do you have no other means of income? I think a lot of people like to brandish a low salary, but don’t account for the cumulative financial easement in things like child benefit, free school meals, subsidised food from a work place, dla, pip, carers allowance etc etc.

Exactly, it might be topped up by tax credits or UC. I find it very difficult to believe people can survive on £22k, granted if it's 2 X £11k wages they won't b paying tax so a lot more than 1x£22k wage....a lot of people if they are not married, apply for benefits separately as single people (even if they are indeed living together, to squeeze as much benefit pay as they can).... If you genuinely have 1x £22k wage, that's £1.5 k a month (after a std 4%pension contribution, tax and NI)...if you have a mortgage of £700 that leaves £800 for council tax, gas, electricity, car payments, petrol, car insurance, home insurance, internet, phone bills, food, clothing, cleaning products, toiletries, school supplies, and fun....I call BS.

Howmanysleepsnow · 10/04/2023 20:21

our income is more than yours, but I understand. Our outgoings were affordable on 20k less 5 years ago. We got a mortgage we could afford (which is now £400pcm month than it was), 2 cars we could afford to run (but now pay 50% more for fuel), had 4 dc we could afford to clothe/ feed/ take to activities (all of which have more than doubled)… plus our energy costs have risen from £54 to £230 pcm. Basically, we were living within our means with enough over for a modest holiday. Now prices have more than doubled, but our income hasn’t. Regardless of starting point, I suspect most are struggling, bar the very rich, unless they’ve downsized their house/ family.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 10/04/2023 20:25

Hayfeverseasonalready · 10/04/2023 18:49

Don't understand why you don't qualify for UC? My husband earns 45k a year and I get around £700 per month from UC. Cant afford nursery fees so I had to quit my full time job, then looked into if we'd qualify for UC and this is what we were awarded.
Our rent is £1250 a month if that makes any difference.

Yes, people that rent get help...if you are paying a mortgage you get nothing. We were living on 1x 27k wage a few years ago in Scotland, and didn't qualify for any help/benefits at all (no UC, no tax credits, no uniform help)

SummerDawn2000 · 10/04/2023 20:25

This breaks my heart. I’m so sorry Op. this is not your fault. Is there anything y out can cut out for a few months? Iike a streaming service? Something that even if it’s just a few quid or so a month you can building something ? Crap advice I know. I don’t know how to help eXcept maybe send some money for good shopping ? I’m sorry

thegrain · 10/04/2023 20:26

CybermanAshad · 10/04/2023 20:08

Ah thanks. Didn't know you could use the tax free for wrap around care. Though annoyingly the school don't offer an afterschool club which makes things 1000x harder! They do have a breakfast club at least

Ah that's a pain! Yeah as long as it's ofsted registered

Moreorlessmentallystable · 10/04/2023 20:30

OP all I can say is to persevere and finish your studies, we spent a couple of years with a low part time weekend wage and a full time wage, we qualified to no help at all, because we were home owners, and income above min wage. After husband finished his uni degree now he has a better job and we are in nearly £70k combined, which makes things easier and thankfully not a struggle even when everything has gone up so much.

surreygirl1987 · 10/04/2023 20:34

*It doesn't help you, OP, but for anyone reading; this is why I tend to think it a mistake when people (women) give up work because of nursery fees.

That pre-school time is expensive indeed, but temporary and in that period, you could be moving up a pay band or even gaining a promotion. Once they're at school that money is freed up again and you feel the benefof of having kept your career.*

I massively agree with this. At one point I was paying more for childcare than I earned and things were horrendously tight - still are really, as still paying whopping full time nursery fees. But in that time I got a promotion and my salary has increased by more than £13k. Now my kids start school in September and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!

berksandbeyond · 10/04/2023 20:34

Life is always going to be a struggle if you have children and one wage. Hopefully you’ll be able to start working too, but do you plan on having more children? That will make things even more stretched

1AngelicFruitCake · 10/04/2023 20:34

InTheFutilityRoomEatingBiscuits · 10/04/2023 19:59

I grew up in a household without much money. Not having much money meant I got used to things being that way, and I’m still trying to train myself out of it. Not having much money meant to me, as a kid, not having wallpaper on the walls or carpet on the floor, not having central heating, not having a bed frame, having one set of sheets so having to sleep without a cover for a few days every few months whilst they were washed and dried. Not having a sofa, we had cushions on the floor. Making putty out of flour, newspaper and water to stuff the cracks where the draughts were coming in. Getting a part time job as a young teen and using it to buy myself something for dinner most nights, which I would either eat in the park or hide when I got home in case my food was divided up between us. Not knowing that outdoor activities could be fun because not many are when you haven’t got a good coat or shoes, or a pair of gloves to play in the snow, or gardening gloves for outdoor jobs, or a pair of trainers for sport. Our house used to get broken into a lot and if we did have anything to steal it would be stolen.

When I had my first child, my household income was slightly over £9k a year, that was my full time wage. My housing cost was £635 a month. I got tax credits, child benefit and vouchers for vegetables. I was well used to cycling which bills to pay per month, I knew how far into arrears things could get and which ones not to pay when. Even then, bills like cars, childcare, student loans, any kind of insurance, pension contributions, etc, were for other peoples lives, as there was no way they could be afforded. I didn’t even get gas and electricity bills as all on prepay meter. I didn’t have heating or hot water. But I had shoes, carpets, two sets of sheets, and my house was never broken into.

Now with a household income of 30k+child benefit, I have more DC, I have a car, I have a house with heating and hot water, I have life insurance, I pay /all/ my bills every month. My DC have coats and suitable shoes for their activities. We eat pretty well and go on an occasional holiday. We are not rich, but I feel rich.

This was not about it being a race to the bottom but I just wanted to explore my instinctive reaction to your post when I read it so if you read this far, I apologise for my self indulgence.

You sound amazing 😊 I feel ashamed reading your post of all of the times I look at other people in envy who earn more than me. I hope you have every happiness in the future x

HistoryFanatic · 10/04/2023 20:35

£45K a year and they get UC help with their rent. What a pisstake.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 10/04/2023 20:37

OriginalUsername2 · 10/04/2023 19:33

Which is bloody stupid because tax payers money is going straight to landlords but not the homeowners who live in their homes.

It’s all very messed up.

Yes! SO messed up! Also why would people be encouraged to try and make more money and buy a home if they can get their rent paid or subsidized by tax payers money? We are home owners because we have decided to live very frugally to be able to afford a home of our own...also on top of all that sacrifice is very likely our home won't be going to our kids when we are old....but it will be sold to pay for our care in our old age...meanwhile, people that didn't make an effort get their rent paid and will receive care just the same than us!

HistoryFanatic · 10/04/2023 20:41

We earn about £20k together with a small UC top up but don't get the amount the poster above gets because we have a small mortgage. Doesn't feel that fair.

Babyroobs · 10/04/2023 20:45

BernadetteIsMySister · 10/04/2023 18:00

I think if you've made the choice to study instead of do paid work then you need to accept that things will be tight for a few years.

Yes agree with this. You were a sahm which many cannot afford and then chose to study. Unfortunately this may be making it harder for you to find work if you've been out of the job market for a while. Hopefully you will find something soon and your dh getting an 8k payrise is something that many can't dream of right now so I guess it's just a case of getting through the next few months.

WideFootWelly · 10/04/2023 20:46

Can you ask for a 2 month payment holiday on the mortgage? Use the bare minimum you can afford to from the extra that gives you, and then save the rest to give you a buffer once the payment holiday is over.

Babyroobs · 10/04/2023 20:46

HistoryFanatic · 10/04/2023 20:41

We earn about £20k together with a small UC top up but don't get the amount the poster above gets because we have a small mortgage. Doesn't feel that fair.

The government can't be seen to be helping towards buying people's homes for them, but yes it does seem they can do it when it comes to paying off landlord's mortgages.

CandleInTheStorm · 10/04/2023 20:49

I think it depends on your outgoings. I'm on 29k and live just fine and wouldn't say I'm just surviving! I've got 2 dc and 2 cats as well. I don't live in London, but in the south.

EddyF · 10/04/2023 20:51

i can’t quote but someone said that a couple on 80K are better off financially than a single person on 80K. Make it make sense?! How? In this scenario, the single person is way better off than the couple.

Maple2023 · 10/04/2023 20:54

@Moreorlessmentallystable I live off that but no DC, single and a mortgage. No top ups as not entitled except for 25% discount on council tax
It's hard