Dalai llama ask a child to suck his tongue

[Mooshamoo]

Has anyone seen the new video of the Dalai Llama asking a child to suck his tongue. Yes. It sounds bizarre. But it is in the news right now. The video is out there. And the dalai llama is apologising on social media now

Im devastated! I went to see the Dalai Llama in India. He gave a speech on accepting and loving everyone, and that it didn't matter what religion we are. I always told people that it was one of the highlights of my life.

I went through life thinking he was a good person, that he was one of the good ones. To see this today, makes me think oh no is he yet another abuser.

Some people have remarked about this video that sticking your tongue out at someone is a greeting in Tibet.

However - the Dalai Llama kisses the child on the lips in the video, and asks the child to suck his tongue. It does not look right at all.

He has apologised on twitter now.

What do you all think?

So? Are objectionable comments evidence of paedophilia?

No, but a grown adult male who clearly makes sexual advances towards a child is evidence of pedophilia. And that is clearly what happened.

The longer you bury your head in the sand because you think certain people can't possibly be pedophiles, the longer men in positions of power will continue to abide that power.

BBC report based on two researchers
Dr Michael Seto, a clinical and forensic psychologist at the Royal Ottawa Healthcare group and Dr James Cantor, a psychologist and sexual behaviour scientist at the University of Toronto.

”There is consensus on the clinical definition. Michael Seto and his colleagues agree that a paedophile is someone who has a sexual interest in pre-pubescent children, so typically those under the ages of 11 or 12.
But whether the prevalence using this definition is 0.5%, as James Cantor says or 1%, as Michael Seto says…”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28526106

What “your friend in the police” says isn’t objective or scientific.

Abuse* that power

He should retire from public life is my opinion. Been saying that since my first post.

Presumably the research is based upon people who have convictions. So not accurate.

That was actually joke lost in translation. When the Dalai Lama was asked if he could be reincarnated as a woman, he responded “she’d have to be attractive to be of much use, after all look at me!” He was making a joke about his own looks. If you look at what he has said seriously about women’s rights, there’s nothing objectionable.

No not at all. You presume hastily.

Also that article is from 9 years ago.

When I was a child, it was thought that pedophiles were vanishingly rare.

Unfortunately, in the absence of the thought police there is no way to know the actual number. But it's enough to be very concerning.

People with such perversions also put themselves in positions of trust so that they have access to children and nobody suspects them.

We covered all the safeguarding, retire the Dalai Lama and such upthread. We focussed on it first. My statistics were not made up and they are not justifying child abuse. They are demonstrating that the possibility of dementia is both rational and more probable than the pedophile possibility as an explanation as to why this happened.

There is nothing horrible about it.

So you’d rather believe anything your “friend in the police” says over what researchers into pedophilia who have done dozens of studies and written books on it have to say.

Yes, people with such perversions do put themselves into positions of trust, but that cannot be the case with the Dalai Lama as he did not choose to be who he is. He was literally chosen by senior priests around age 2 and taken from his family and raised to be the Dalai Lama.

“No, but a grown adult male who clearly makes sexual advances towards a child isevidence of pedophilia. And that is clearly what happened.”

It is also evidence of dementia with ISB and that is 8.3x more likely to have been the cause 🤷‍♀️

Would you be so quick to find excuses if it were your child in that video?

It’s not an excuse. 🙄

Would you be so quick to find excuses if it were your child in that video?

I can’t speak for @L3ThirtySeven but I would absolutely consider the possibility of dementia, yes. I would think about possible explanations for the behaviour before jumping to the conclusion that my child had been a victim of paedophilia and distressing them with that label and outrage. I would much rather dementia were the cause, wouldn’t you?

Nobody has some on here and said, 'Hey come on, it's the DL! It's fine! Crack on, mate'. No one has dismissed the boy's experience.

Everyone has said that it was inappropriate and needs to be prevented from happening again.

The only discussion- and it would be an important one, if it were allowed to happen- has been around-
whether this is the first showing of an innate pedophilia, or
whether there is something else going on- joke/dementia/translation issue. Also what you do about retiring someone who can't actually retire.
how you do safeguarding if you think someone, like the DL, is above suspicion. They need processes in place to deal with the possibility the DL become impaired or being criminal. How do you handle that, I wonder? Needs a policy all of its own, to make sure people intervene in a timely way at the first sign, rather than waiting until something bad happens.
There's a serious issue about political stability, if the DL is impaired/criminal.

Discussing these things is not ignoring pedophilia.

Really?? Sounds like one. Answer the question. If an old man asked your child to kiss him and suck his tongue you wouldn't call the police?

In the context of what I’ve seen in the longer-length video, no. Sorry if that makes me a monster

Thank you, that is exactly right and a good summary of the ground this thread has covered.

The man will be the leader of the religion until the day he dies.

I hope the Pope (head of the biggest religion) doesn't invite him to the Vatican and I hope Charles (head of third biggest religion) doesn't invite him here in May,

I would call the police. You should know though that the police would probably also suspect dementia given this is a frail 87yr old with a spotless record and so they would then contact social care to initiate a cognitive assessment. They aren’t going to haul an 87yr old away in handcuffs.

Not sure why @Levadia’s reply was deleted?

The Pope isn’t the head of the biggest religion. Christianity is the biggest religion, but he’s only the head of one sect of Christianity.

The Dalai Lama similarly is not the head of all Buddhism and Buddhism is the fourth largest religion. He’s the most well known leader within Tibetan Buddhism.

King Charles and the Anglican Church isn’t even its own religion. It’s a tiny sect of Christianity.

Yeah, I'm not sure why my post was deleted either? All I said was I met him in 1996 in Macleod Gange, he's the most mischievous/comedy personality.
This whole episode has been massively overblown.
Better?

We covered all the safeguarding, retire the Dalai Lama and such upthread. We focussed on it first. We? Are you part of a group of posters or something? The royal we? Or is this some sort of attempt at persuasive speech 😂?

He should retire from public life is my opinion. Been saying that since my first post.That's not enough. He must never have access to children without due care again. Otherwise there is a risk that he'll be asking for kisses and tongue sucking in private whether due to hypothetical dementia or nefarious reasons. There also needs to be an investigation of the incident with the boy.

Well I can kind of see his point. The less attractive a woman is, the less people seem to pay any attention to her. That's strange and not my experience. In my professional as well as private life it is more often the not so conventionally attractive women who are the stronger leaders who get plenty of attention. Your comment is sexist and ignorant.

I suppose the Dalai Lama is a global brand and all sorts of devoted PR exercises are being conducted to manage this man's reputation.

I hope they will also keep him away from children in the future unless they are 100% sure this disgusting behaviour was a one off. But there needs to be a through investigation to establish that first. In any case not brilliant for the Dalai Lama's karma and not brilliant for his brand.