Page 14 | Dalai llama ask a child to suck his tongue

Mooshamoo · 2023-04-10T11:49:02+00:00

Has anyone seen the new video of the Dalai Llama asking a child to suck his tongue. Yes. It sounds bizarre. But it is in the news right now. The video is out there. And the dalai llama is apologising on social media now Im devastated! I went to see the Dalai Llama in India. He gave a speech on accepting and loving everyone, and that it didn't matter what religion we are. I always told people that it was one of the highlights of my life. I went through life thinking he was a good person, that he was one of the good ones. To see this today, makes me think oh no is he yet another abuser. Some people have remarked about this video that sticking your tongue out at someone is a greeting in Tibet. However - the Dalai Llama kisses the child on the lips in the video, and asks the child to suck his tongue. It does not look right at all. He has apologised on twitter now. What do you all think?

JMSA · 10/04/2023 18:03

What the heck?! If we can't trust him then what hope is there

TeaForMeandThee · 10/04/2023 18:04

Why have all those posts been deleted? I didn't read them before they went poof? Were they mentioning the link between people in religion abusing their power to carry out sexual abuse? If mumsnet is deleting posts for this it's pretty horrific to silence what everyone knows has gone on in plain sight for many many years. People should be free to speak about this stuff, not silenced, this is how people like this get away with it!!!

OrangeSamphire · 10/04/2023 18:04

Disgusting.

Not surprising though. Afterall, this man was happy to fraternise with Keith Raniere, NXIVM cult leader now in jail who oversaw women being branded with his initials and girls being sexually abused.

Lapland123 · 10/04/2023 18:09

AbsoluteYawns · 10/04/2023 18:00

Erm..what are you saying Mumsnet???

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Mumsnet would you like to clarify your position please, I’m sure we’d all like to know.

Lapland123 · 10/04/2023 18:12

TeaForMeandThee · 10/04/2023 18:04

Why have all those posts been deleted? I didn't read them before they went poof? Were they mentioning the link between people in religion abusing their power to carry out sexual abuse? If mumsnet is deleting posts for this it's pretty horrific to silence what everyone knows has gone on in plain sight for many many years. People should be free to speak about this stuff, not silenced, this is how people like this get away with it!!!

Mine was deleted within minutes. I said I was horrified the DL looked to be a P.
Wonder how long this post will last.
I wonder why MN wants to silence and delete this.
That’s quite some statement fromMN

Peace and love indeed 😡

ananass · 10/04/2023 18:13

TeaForMeandThee · 10/04/2023 18:04

Why have all those posts been deleted? I didn't read them before they went poof? Were they mentioning the link between people in religion abusing their power to carry out sexual abuse? If mumsnet is deleting posts for this it's pretty horrific to silence what everyone knows has gone on in plain sight for many many years. People should be free to speak about this stuff, not silenced, this is how people like this get away with it!!!

A few posts were deleted for making personal remarks. Not sure about others.

I had one post deleted because I asked what a deleted post said about me 🤣 I shouldn’t have asked, I guess it was deemed to be inviting the deleted comment to be updated.

Yoyo2021 · 10/04/2023 18:14

Trust no one! Pedophiles everywhere! Makes me sick!

Astralitzia · 10/04/2023 18:15

I don't give two shits about the DL or any religion.

But you have to be rather thick to not realise you can't plaster accusations of paedophilia and child abuse ring conspiracies on a moderated forum without it being deleted, let alone accusing anyone who says "hang on a moment" of the same.

BirdChirp · 10/04/2023 18:15

What he did was abusive and there should be measures taken for him not to be near children again, and it should be seriously considered whether he can continue in his role.

He quite possibly has dementia - being inappropriate in public when he hasn't before is a symptom.

These things aren't mutually exclusive, and saying them doesn't make anyone an apologist, pedo-defender or 'acolyte'. I think some people on this thread are enjoying their ranting a bit too much.

Cheesecake53 · 10/04/2023 18:16

This is so despicable. If he does that in public, what does he then do behind closed doors?

GingerbreadBaking · 10/04/2023 18:24

CordyLines · 10/04/2023 16:34

If people believe there is a God why do they need an organised religion with a leader?

Can they not worship their God without being told how to? The books and tenets do not need such a set up. Practically every religion around the world has abused kids, and women, and vulnerable disabled people and more.

Such evil, in the name of a benevolent God. Humans are not God but some like to think people will think they are.

Humans ars imperfect, people don't deem to accept this, sometimes about themselves, sometimes about others.

Jesus organised his religion the way it is, some didn't like it and set up sub sects, you can't stop them, UK law gives them freedom to worship God.

If you want to live religion free, good luck, I have never met someone who isn't, they replace it with politics, things like running brownies, works-Diversity/equality/inclusion/"be kind to special people, not yourself"/intersectionality , Greta and the earth will end in 10 years, making money, clothes, diets along with their 'priest' -telling them what to think, language abd behaviour-the slimming world woman, interior design or their family their God, the list goes on.

We live in a country where you are free to worship yourself as God.

TrombonesAreNotBones · 10/04/2023 18:32

RealMcKoy · 10/04/2023 17:29

Unfortunately, on this site with a surfeit of tertiary educated women, there has been a thread that asked if one would report their rapist son with the overwhelming majority saying "no". Another pretend dense educated woman couldn't comprehend how anybody could disown a relative if they were found to be a paedophile. Her need to believe that Paedophiles ( who are pretty much cardinal in character and cannot stop being paedophiles) can change came above the fact that many people do have to disown any family member if they are a paedophile, just for the fact that certain agencies will not let them navigate life without consequence if they themselves have children. As her job, this woman worked with paedophiles and subconsciously has ended up working FOR them, too, so much have they manipulated her.

Do not underestimate the narcissism of too many educated liberal women when it comes to ignoring the bad behaviour of men, especially if said men tick "minority" boxes..thus low key showing how they really feel about minority women and children and poorer white women and children.

A wise woman told me that for too many women, their sense of feminism goes out of the window when they either have a son or a man. The women begin to extrapolate every bad man with the men that they know and as they presume the men that they know are good people, that bad man must also be good.

It's a fucked up psychology. However, most of us have seen it hundreds of times.

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Naunet · 10/04/2023 18:34

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 13:51

It is a fact that this incident is a common symptom of dementia. I don’t see why you are so invested in denying this. My grandfather had dementia at age 76 and developed sexually inappropriate behaviours as a result of his dementia. This is common. This isn’t some rare thing.

No I wouldn’t leave my child alone with any 87 year old! Are you quite mad? They’re often losing their marbles, are frail and and not nearly mobile enough to care for a child at that age.

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It’s also a common ‘symptom’ of being a nonce. Do you seriously think this man doesn’t have people around him looking out for his health? I bet he gets regular full check ups, but you know better than his doctors?

Stop excusing child abuse.

bossonext · 10/04/2023 18:34

GingerbreadBaking · 10/04/2023 18:24

Humans ars imperfect, people don't deem to accept this, sometimes about themselves, sometimes about others.

Jesus organised his religion the way it is, some didn't like it and set up sub sects, you can't stop them, UK law gives them freedom to worship God.

If you want to live religion free, good luck, I have never met someone who isn't, they replace it with politics, things like running brownies, works-Diversity/equality/inclusion/"be kind to special people, not yourself"/intersectionality , Greta and the earth will end in 10 years, making money, clothes, diets along with their 'priest' -telling them what to think, language abd behaviour-the slimming world woman, interior design or their family their God, the list goes on.

We live in a country where you are free to worship yourself as God.

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WTF are you talking about?

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:36

We don't know whether the DL is start8ng with dementia.
We don't know whether he has been abusive behind the scenes, and is now displaying that behaviour.
We don't know if there is some joke or cultural context that we just don't get.

It's possible the DL is no longer able to correctly process what is going on around him, or respond appropriately. There is a series starting on R4 about dementia. In one trailer, a chap was talking about cats and bunnies frolicking about the corners of the room. His brain has deteriorated and he now sees things that aren't there.

There comes a point where we can no longer hold people responsible for their actions. We rely on safeguarding procedures to keep such people in safety to protect those around them, and themselves.

So DL needs to be either prosecuted for inappropriate behaviour of some kind, or kept in seclusion in his old age. He can't resign or be fired. Senior monks can take on some of his work, but they can't be The Dalai Lama.

I don't think considering all the explanations for this single incident is pedophilia apologia. It's using your brain.

This incident can't be repeated, whatever caused it.

And no, demented elderly people cannot be held responsible for their behaviour, and the first signs may not be easily spotted and acceptable, they can be desperately embarrassing and humiliating, or harmful.

We don't know.

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 18:40

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BurrosTail · 10/04/2023 18:47

@TheKeatingFive what I mean is that when I first visited the UK and saw one dad holding hands with his daughter I felt unease because holding hands is a couple thing back home, but when I saw it again and again on school trips, then obviously quickly understood that it’s normal in the UK. I’ve never held my dad’s hand, and my mum has never held my grandad’s hand. We just don’t do that. Same with kissing kids in the mouth, I would feel unease if some random neighbour decided to kiss a kid to mouth because it’s a couple thing but it’s just understood differently in different cultures.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:53

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There is no question about the behaviour or the treatment of the child. He should get whatever he needs to help him.

We're discussing the behaviour of the DL, not the child.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:55

BurrosTail · 10/04/2023 18:47

@TheKeatingFive what I mean is that when I first visited the UK and saw one dad holding hands with his daughter I felt unease because holding hands is a couple thing back home, but when I saw it again and again on school trips, then obviously quickly understood that it’s normal in the UK. I’ve never held my dad’s hand, and my mum has never held my grandad’s hand. We just don’t do that. Same with kissing kids in the mouth, I would feel unease if some random neighbour decided to kiss a kid to mouth because it’s a couple thing but it’s just understood differently in different cultures.

I find american daddy daughter dances really creepy. Obviously that's completely wrong of me, and due to my cultural ignorance.

Sadly my dad was a very traditional old fashioned one. That closeness of dads and daughters is totally unfamiliar to me.

oachkatzl · 10/04/2023 18:56

The video is awful. The Dalai Lama stares at the boy in a very creepy way. Just horrible. The boy doesn't want to kiss the Dalai Lama on the lips, never mind suck his tongue.

There is no excuse for this, none whatsoever. If he does have dementia and is behaving in a sexually inappropriate way then he should not be allowed contact with children at all. His doctors and his aides should be stepping in the prevent anything like this happening.

I live in another country and read a news article on this - in the comments people were saying things like "Amazing how many people don't know this is a standard healing practice in Buddhism". Does anyone know if there is anything at all like this in Buddhism??? I can't find anything about it. Just wondering if those people posting things like that are also apologists for abusive behaviour.

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 18:59

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:55

I find american daddy daughter dances really creepy. Obviously that's completely wrong of me, and due to my cultural ignorance.

Sadly my dad was a very traditional old fashioned one. That closeness of dads and daughters is totally unfamiliar to me.

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You are both giving off 'same-cult vibes' because there is this stinking great crime shoved in your face involving two strangers but you are freaked out by obviously innocent parent-child interactions.

onirgellep · 10/04/2023 19:01

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:36

We don't know whether the DL is start8ng with dementia.
We don't know whether he has been abusive behind the scenes, and is now displaying that behaviour.
We don't know if there is some joke or cultural context that we just don't get.

It's possible the DL is no longer able to correctly process what is going on around him, or respond appropriately. There is a series starting on R4 about dementia. In one trailer, a chap was talking about cats and bunnies frolicking about the corners of the room. His brain has deteriorated and he now sees things that aren't there.

There comes a point where we can no longer hold people responsible for their actions. We rely on safeguarding procedures to keep such people in safety to protect those around them, and themselves.

So DL needs to be either prosecuted for inappropriate behaviour of some kind, or kept in seclusion in his old age. He can't resign or be fired. Senior monks can take on some of his work, but they can't be The Dalai Lama.

I don't think considering all the explanations for this single incident is pedophilia apologia. It's using your brain.

This incident can't be repeated, whatever caused it.

And no, demented elderly people cannot be held responsible for their behaviour, and the first signs may not be easily spotted and acceptable, they can be desperately embarrassing and humiliating, or harmful.

We don't know.

This is fair comment

Early subtle symptoms of dementia include personality changes and lack of judgement well before the onset of memory impairment etc - sometimes only apparent in retrospect when the diagnosis has been made

Last year the DL was reported to be 'in very good health' and I imagine he has excellent healthcare and regular health screening which would include assessment for dementia/cognitive impairment

This information about his health was released wrt to the discussions around how they will find his successor - huge conflict with China about this who want to see an end to the DL's 'Tibetan government in exile' on his death

So putting him away quietly would have repercussions beyond his spiritual role

ILoveMontyDon · 10/04/2023 19:02

I'm yet to find any evidence that children sucking an adults tongue is a cultural norm in any society. Does anyone have any?

A child dancing with their father and a child sucking an adults tongue - er... a bit different I'd say.

oakleaffy · 10/04/2023 19:03

BurrosTail · 10/04/2023 18:47

@TheKeatingFive what I mean is that when I first visited the UK and saw one dad holding hands with his daughter I felt unease because holding hands is a couple thing back home, but when I saw it again and again on school trips, then obviously quickly understood that it’s normal in the UK. I’ve never held my dad’s hand, and my mum has never held my grandad’s hand. We just don’t do that. Same with kissing kids in the mouth, I would feel unease if some random neighbour decided to kiss a kid to mouth because it’s a couple thing but it’s just understood differently in different cultures.

I can't see any culture where ''Tongue sucking'' is a form of greeting.
The little boy was clearly extremely uncomfortable, and tried to pull back.

It IS inappropriate. If the DL is beginning to have cognitive decline,{as some apologists are saying} surely he ought not to have children presented to him if this is how he acts.

It was bizarre and alarming to see that clip.

sealon82 · 10/04/2023 19:05

Why is it that when things like this happen so many people try to find excuses. It reminds me of how insane people are about Michael Jackson.. (A bad childhood means it's okay to sleep with little boys)
If it acts like a nonce it probably is a nonce!