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What is wrong with these people?

177 replies

Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:13

Apologies for Daily Fail link. These landlords are fighting to keep their collection of extremely racist dolls on display. What possible justification could someone have for having a golliwog on display in this day and age? There is no ambiguity here, golliwogs are vile.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11949421/Moment-six-police-officers-raid-Essex-pub-seize-15-golliwog-dolls.html

Moment six police officers raid Essex pub and seize 15 golliwog dolls

Benice Ryley, 61, was quizzed by six officers after police received an anonymous complaint about The White Hart Inn in Grays, Essex.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11949421/Moment-six-police-officers-raid-Essex-pub-seize-15-golliwog-dolls.html

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Anycolouryoulike · 07/04/2023 22:17

Awful thick racist bigots.

BuckinghamPalaceFountain · 07/04/2023 22:21

My grandmother was black
she gave me my 1st baby doll that was black
In 1968
she also collected Robinsons golly badges which you sent off for in the 1970s

i still have the doll and the golly band badges and I treasure them all

what does that say about mu granny and me?

are you black OP?

Changingplace · 07/04/2023 22:30

Ugh, disgusting

CurlewKate · 07/04/2023 22:33

@BuckinghamPalaceFountain black baby dolls are very different from gollywogs. As I suspect you know- the use of "golly" rather than "gollywogs" is a bit of a giveaway!

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Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:44

@Maddy128 well said.

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Anycolouryoulike · 07/04/2023 22:45

I'm an older person. So I'll thank you to not brand me a racist because of my age.

Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:46

@BuckinghamPalaceFountain it sounds like internalised racism unless you are lying about your race.

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BuckinghamPalaceFountain · 07/04/2023 22:47

Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:46

@BuckinghamPalaceFountain it sounds like internalised racism unless you are lying about your race.

Why would I lie?

are you white?

Wedoronron · 07/04/2023 22:48

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Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:49

There is no good argument for these obscene caricatures of black people. Tradition doesn’t cut it. Lots of things are traditional, black and white minstrel shows, blackface etc…

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Anycolouryoulike · 07/04/2023 22:49

Anyone who can't see that they are racist must be thick as mince.

Maddy128 · 07/04/2023 22:50

Anycolouryoulike · 07/04/2023 22:45

I'm an older person. So I'll thank you to not brand me a racist because of my age.

Not at all. Obviously I don’t mean all older people. But generally it’s older people with these racist dolls because of the time frame they were popular. And generally it’s older people complaining about younger people wanting them to tone down their old fashioned racism. But obviously not all older people and obviously not you, specifically (unless that’s you in the pub with your dolly).

Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 22:50

@BuckinghamPalaceFountain I am neither black or white. Other races are available.

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Lennybenny · 07/04/2023 22:51

Sadly no-one seems to understand the trauma of being called the long and short versions of those dolls.

In the 60s and 70s it was more accepted because they were connected to Robinsons but they aren't now and haven't been for a very long time.

I can't see one without remembering being terrorised because of my skin colour and my hair texture.

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KitKatLove · 07/04/2023 22:53

We went to the village shop in Goathland and they had a huge sales display with a sign requesting no photos and that they weren’t there to cause offence but were the ‘jolly golly family’ from a bygone time - right at the back of the store, they know it’s racist or they wouldn’t have the signs up.

BuckinghamPalaceFountain · 07/04/2023 22:56

If it is my heritage (experience of being of black heritage in the uk in the 60s and 70s ) then cant i own it ?

i loved having a black doll in the 1960d

BuckinghamPalaceFountain · 07/04/2023 23:00

I am not at home but if i took s photo of my doll from 1968 i am sure that you would all be horrified

but she was bought for me by my black grandmother and i adore her

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 23:01

It says a lot about the type of person who thinks it's OK to have this on show.

I'm of the generation that collected this stuff as a child BUT as an adult I wouldn't want any part of it.

To deny the nasty history behind it tells me all I need to know about some people.

I could never be friends with someone who displayed this awful stuff.

Uurrjb · 07/04/2023 23:02

My dd is doing some DoE volunteering with 96 yr old neighbour…
cue questions…she has these unusual dolls and badges she collected from marmalade jars I don’t understand?!
well it was a different time my love…
but she loves them and wanted to show me them…is she racist??
Well I…hmmmmm

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 23:07

Can all the arsehole on here just go away. we're not bloody stupid.....we see what you're trying to do.

Bobblemymind · 07/04/2023 23:08

@BuckinghamPalaceFountain I feel very sorry for you and your grandma that there was not better representation available. However that does not mean that you should cling to obscene racist imagery that belongs far in the past. Your affection for racist iconography doesn't make these dolls ok.

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TrishM80 · 07/04/2023 23:08

What a grotesque display.