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Aibu to be estastic about the push back protest from parents in Ireland today about pornography on the curriculum. Link & video inside. Teaching 12 year olds about anal sex & anal fist pumping 👀

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 00:52

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

"Keep gender ideology out of schools": Protesters gather in Dublin - Gript

“Keep gender ideology out of schools”: Parents gather in Fingal to protest against radical sex ed material in schools. #gript

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:54

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Read the comments not one comment of support. Some of the replies are comical however it does show how little regard people have for the current government. Before you pull the homophobic card most of the comments were from the lgb community highly insulted by his tweet.

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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AxolotlOnions · 07/04/2023 17:55

OMG, what is anal fist pumping!? I thought regular anal fisting was bad enough!

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 17:57

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 16:46

It's disgusting what they are teaching children in schools.

The book contains
graphic pictures and is not suitable for children.

Would you honestly buy hard porn magazines and let your 11+ child read them?

No it does not! Have you read the book?

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 18:00

AxolotlOnions · 07/04/2023 17:55

OMG, what is anal fist pumping!? I thought regular anal fisting was bad enough!

Who knows. And ironically you won't find out in the book everyone is up in arms about!

CherryCokeFanatic · 07/04/2023 18:09

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:26

Yes it was on the department of educations recommend reading list. Even the first 2 minutes will inform you.

So no video or images of the supposed fisting etc?

1Week · 07/04/2023 18:10

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 17:57

No it does not! Have you read the book?

I've flicked through it, and I've seen the pages where it tells you how to handjobs and blow jobs.

Not something I want children or young teens to see. Older teens fine. I would think that's a commonplace view

Are we simply arguing here about where to draw the line?

OMG12 · 07/04/2023 18:13

nosyupnorth · 07/04/2023 09:35

The practical reality is that if your 12 year old doesn't have access to unfiltered internet (possibly while you are obliviously unaware they've got around your filters) one of their friends will.
At this age they are encountering porn and talking about extreme sex acts and conservative parents going 'NAH NAH NAH I DON'T LIKE IT' isn't going to change that.
I think there needs to be measured discussion of how to educate on this topic, and some of the currently handling is poorly done as educators struggle to catch up with the current societal realities without overshooting and giving too much information.
But adolecents are going to encounter porn, gay sex, and kink and they need to prepared to understand safe sex beyond 'use a contraceptive if a penis goes in a vagina', which will include some degree of being informed about things that might be considered extreme. If they aren't recieving any education, they're just get their information from the internet and gossip and be put at greater risk.

Or alternatively sex education could just state that the internet is full of things that aren’t age appropriate
and can actually lead to severe harm. Then campaign to make sure kids can’t access this information.

I mean search the net and you can find beheading videos and how to make bombs. Let’s just let the kids have books on how to carry out beheadings and maybe make an IED in technology.

basically groomers are using this argument. To desensitise kids to these acts. It’s disgusting. In years to come teachers are going to be viewed the same as catholic priests and the Vatican

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 18:19

@1Week we wouldn't need to if people didn't deliberately misrepresent things.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 18:54

CherryCokeFanatic · 07/04/2023 18:09

So no video or images of the supposed fisting etc?

The dad in the video said there was fisting, blow jobs & a anal sex in the book with graphics. The dad in the video has read it, listen to his description & make up your mind.
@Flounder2022 as I said I couldn't get the book at my local library as both copies are out, I've reserved one so I'll just need to wait patiently until it's returned 😉

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 18:56

CherryCokeFanatic · 07/04/2023 18:09

So no video or images of the supposed fisting etc?

Watch the dad in the video & listen to his description of the graphic details in the book. Not for the faint hearted!

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 19:02

@1week exactly none of it is appropriate for children. Why are the government so determined to indoctrinate them with pornography, it is beyond the pale.
Nice little win for the parents who called it out for what it is but the real win will be bringing back single sex toilets, changing rooms, womens teams only & woman only prisons.
I hope that lovely dad & mum get action going to get the GRA reversed. Enough is ebough

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Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:03

@Bláthannabuí there are no graphics depicting anal or fisting or blowjobs. There is no mention of fisting in the book that I could see. The graphics that are in the book are simple B&W line drawings.

SertralineAndTherapy · 07/04/2023 19:04

Note to self: when I am determined to indoctrinate children, I will put a link to a book in the teachers' section of a curriculum website. Mwahahahah!

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 19:05

@Flounder2022 as I said the book was unavailable at the library & I'm taking that dad's word for it. It spoke so much sense about the current disastrous state of the education in Ireland.

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Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:08

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 19:05

@Flounder2022 as I said the book was unavailable at the library & I'm taking that dad's word for it. It spoke so much sense about the current disastrous state of the education in Ireland.

Are you open to taking my word on it?

Oursenpeluche · 07/04/2023 19:09

ISpyCobraKai · 07/04/2023 01:39

I'm so fed up of this shit.
I'm not Irish and I know it's not quite the same but I'm going to London for LWS on Sunday to make a stand against this.

What and where? I want to go, I think.
Sick of it too.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 19:24

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:08

Are you open to taking my word on it?

No I won't@Flounder2022 I fed up of all the shit in this country. Ireland's a disgrace. I'm taking that dad's word for it & I won't be converted unless of course RTE finally report on the book 🤔

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1Week · 07/04/2023 19:25

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 18:19

@1Week we wouldn't need to if people didn't deliberately misrepresent things.

Thats solvable.
Open conversation.
What we plan to do, and why we think it's a good thing.
Answers to common questions, with straight answers. Open to rowing back if it turns out that other people's rights are being infringed. Not accusing ordinary people who notice as being far right, bigots and the rest. Don't write letters calling on politicians and media not to listen to ordinary people with reasonable concerns.

Not present the Irish public with a series of fait accompli, The GRA itself, males in women's prison, schools being built with unisex toilets, males in women's sports, women being erased in their own health literature. It seems like activist orgs were hard at work in the Library service too, or there'd be a range of views represented in the Health section.

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:31

@Bláthannabuí that's unfortunate. As I have a copy of the book in front of me. But maybe not surprising.

But go ahead take Mr Peppers word for it, because unlike me he couldn't possibly have any other agenda, could he.

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:42

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 19:24

No I won't@Flounder2022 I fed up of all the shit in this country. Ireland's a disgrace. I'm taking that dad's word for it & I won't be converted unless of course RTE finally report on the book 🤔

Maybe this is why you won’t hear our friend Peppers side on RTE

Aibu to be estastic about the push back protest from parents in Ireland today about pornography on the curriculum. Link & video inside. Teaching 12 year olds about anal sex & anal fist pumping 👀
1Week · 07/04/2023 19:54

Whatever about Peppers side, will we hear MY side on RTE?

goes a little something like this:

Dress how you please, fuck consenting adults, live your best life. But don't expect me to deny sex is real, don't take my sex based rights and don't evangelise kids

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 20:07

1Week · 07/04/2023 19:54

Whatever about Peppers side, will we hear MY side on RTE?

goes a little something like this:

Dress how you please, fuck consenting adults, live your best life. But don't expect me to deny sex is real, don't take my sex based rights and don't evangelise kids

So your only issue with this book is that is inclusive of tans people?

And are you genuinely suggesting that RTE does not give a voice to your side?

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 20:08

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WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 20:13

@Bláthannabuí here is a copy of the book so you don't have to take anyone's word for it. No fisting or anal pumping that I can see. Descriptions of sex that are probably appropriate for mid-older teens, basically if they might be having sex it seems to be pitched right. Seems to have a good focus on safe sex. https://www.readanybook.com/online/663912

This book is Gay

This book is Gay - read free eBook by James Dawson in online reader directly on the web page. Select files or add your book in reader.

https://www.readanybook.com/online/663912

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 21:02

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 19:42

Maybe this is why you won’t hear our friend Peppers side on RTE

Smart dad & great reporting from the Gript. Wouldn't blame him giving RTE the bums rush #makeirelsndsafeagain

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