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Aibu to be estastic about the push back protest from parents in Ireland today about pornography on the curriculum. Link & video inside. Teaching 12 year olds about anal sex & anal fist pumping 👀

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 00:52

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

"Keep gender ideology out of schools": Protesters gather in Dublin - Gript

“Keep gender ideology out of schools”: Parents gather in Fingal to protest against radical sex ed material in schools. #gript

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

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FOJN · 07/04/2023 16:32

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 15:41

I do not need to know or agree with the politics of Gript to listen to the voices of those parents. I prefer to be better informed. Just because someone is a parent doesn't mean they're not politically motivated, and as Gript amplifies the voices of those who are anti-vaccination, anti-choice and anti-migrant I've no wish to take them as an authority on anything.

Those parents said nothing about the other issues you mentioned. It's rather bizarre to think politically motivated parents are a bad thing unless of course you think democracy and the right to express yourself peacefully are a bad thing. Maybe I've misunderstood and it's being a parent AND politically motivated you have a problem with.

The parents were interviewed, there is no evidence to prove that they share the politically views of the person interviewing them. By your logic people would only be interviewed by news orgs who share their political bias so that their message could be shared in an echo chamber.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:37

Well said @FOJN . These parents were so passionate & got their point accross so eloquently unlike the "counter protesters" accross the road 😏

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WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 16:37

Did you not see the images I shared showing how they're all active in the far right movement in some way in Ireland? They are a small group and well interconnected. Is it pure coincidence that the concerned father in that video uses the exact same rhetoric to argue against immigrants? Minute 4.55 'the safety of our kids' on the Irish Freedom Party youtube

Paul Fitzsimons & Gavin Pepper speaking at 'Dublin says No' Rally. Introduced by Malachy Steenson.

Dublin Says No Rally starting at Connolly Station on Monday 6th FEBRUARY.

https://youtu.be/TrBOkNsl3Q4

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:39

@FOJN the fear & backlash in certain sectors of society is so evident when parents actually want to parent their own children is very interesting to say the least.
Interested, concerned, invested parents are suddenly right wing Nazis🤔

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:42

@WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair that has absolutely nothing to do with yesterdays peaceful parent protest. Why are you trying to discredit this dad invested in his children's future? Judging by the facebook comments under the article he's motivated many other dad's to take action, my hubby included. Good on that dad.

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RosesInWater · 07/04/2023 16:43

Seems to me that ordinary people unaligned to any so called hard Left/Right/Middle, whatever view are just totally frustrated with the lack of debate and discussion, and of course media reporting of the whole gender ideology and associated issues. No information, no debate.

So when a chink of light comes along people are delighted that at last someone is airing their concerns and is prepared to put their heads above the parapet. THAT is why people/parents are delighted that the matter is being raised.

As for Gript, well who cares what they are called by their equally hard line opponents? The issue is out there now despite the cencorship of MSM and the State Broadcaster. There is a huge agenda in NOT reporting these things and that needs to be addressed also. Hard Left are no angels either. I think they are behind a lot of this trans equality and GRA and so on. It needs the public onside and especially women to prevail. But it is nonsense generally speaking to say a man is a woman with a piece of paper and fiver fee. But no one is allowed to say that. Now people are emboldened to question a lot of things including children's education.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 16:44

FOJN · 07/04/2023 16:32

Those parents said nothing about the other issues you mentioned. It's rather bizarre to think politically motivated parents are a bad thing unless of course you think democracy and the right to express yourself peacefully are a bad thing. Maybe I've misunderstood and it's being a parent AND politically motivated you have a problem with.

The parents were interviewed, there is no evidence to prove that they share the politically views of the person interviewing them. By your logic people would only be interviewed by news orgs who share their political bias so that their message could be shared in an echo chamber.

It's not bizarre to think that people who protest about vaccines and migrants is a bad thing. As these people engage in anti-migrant and anti-health protests I don't believe they have any moral authority.

I fear more for my childrens' safety from these people and their views than someone mis-cataloguing a book which wasn't even on the curriculum but on a recommended list distributed to teachers. Parents have to consent to their children using a library, and my children show me what books they borrow and read.

I am not deeply concerned about 12 year olds knowing what fisting is. I am far more concerned about them being denied health-saving vaccines and being attacked due to their country of origin or the colour of their skin.

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 16:46

It's disgusting what they are teaching children in schools.

The book contains
graphic pictures and is not suitable for children.

Would you honestly buy hard porn magazines and let your 11+ child read them?

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 16:46

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:42

@WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair that has absolutely nothing to do with yesterdays peaceful parent protest. Why are you trying to discredit this dad invested in his children's future? Judging by the facebook comments under the article he's motivated many other dad's to take action, my hubby included. Good on that dad.

Why is she trying to discredit someone who organises anti-migrant protests? Take a guess, go on.

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 16:47

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 16:46

It's disgusting what they are teaching children in schools.

The book contains
graphic pictures and is not suitable for children.

Would you honestly buy hard porn magazines and let your 11+ child read them?

What book are they teaching children? In what schools?

WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 16:50

RosesInWater · 07/04/2023 16:43

Seems to me that ordinary people unaligned to any so called hard Left/Right/Middle, whatever view are just totally frustrated with the lack of debate and discussion, and of course media reporting of the whole gender ideology and associated issues. No information, no debate.

So when a chink of light comes along people are delighted that at last someone is airing their concerns and is prepared to put their heads above the parapet. THAT is why people/parents are delighted that the matter is being raised.

As for Gript, well who cares what they are called by their equally hard line opponents? The issue is out there now despite the cencorship of MSM and the State Broadcaster. There is a huge agenda in NOT reporting these things and that needs to be addressed also. Hard Left are no angels either. I think they are behind a lot of this trans equality and GRA and so on. It needs the public onside and especially women to prevail. But it is nonsense generally speaking to say a man is a woman with a piece of paper and fiver fee. But no one is allowed to say that. Now people are emboldened to question a lot of things including children's education.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

I'm an ordinary person, not hard left at all. But I'm worried about the growth of the far right in Ireland. I'm worried that what you have described sends people down a road they'd normally never travel. And emboldens a group that never really had a foothold in Ireland before.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:51

@RosesInWater 100 percent. The hidden agenda is the unspoken white elephant in the room. All the comments under the gripts article put the agenda much more eloquently than I ever could! But finally people are talking about it. If was shared on my kids schools whasapp groups, pta group & all were in agreement that the parents need to be pushing back big time. It's not education it's indoctrination.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:52

@WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair are you happy with you & your daughter's sharing their personal spaces with men? It is so anti progressive.

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WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair · 07/04/2023 16:59

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 16:52

@WithFlamingLocksOfAuburnHair are you happy with you & your daughter's sharing their personal spaces with men? It is so anti progressive.

I'm more worried about a far right presence being properly established in Ireland and the very long lasting impact of that when we have historically resisted it. For me this is not an argument about trans issues. It's about raising awareness of who you might be getting into bed with when you applaud Gript and Co. It's fine if we don't agree, we've both shared our views and others can then be informed from this thread. I'm glad we had a chance to shine a light on this for an audience who may not be as familiar with Gript.

Turnipworkharder · 07/04/2023 17:00

Forget Politics for the moment.

If the so called racist /far right groups are the only ones standing up for children's rights ect and broadcasting it, then the Government needs to step up and stop ignoring the issue.
The Government are giving these groups the power by remaining silent.

I don't look in to the background of people speaking about children's/women's rights, I just think they're talking sense.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:04

@Turnipworkharder exactly the government are handing over the power.

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SertralineAndTherapy · 07/04/2023 17:05

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 16:47

What book are they teaching children? In what schools?

Good luck in getting an answer! "On a reading list on the teachers' section of the Government website" is hardly the same as "being taught in actual classes." (I think I'm out of this one, it's going round in circles.)

RosesInWater · 07/04/2023 17:09

It also seems to me that the pendulum has swung too far in one direction, without consultation or much debate (Barbie K and the GRA for example), so naturally a rebalance will happen. And here it is.

The Left brought us here, the Right is now having its say. That's democracy I'd guess, and as a pp said, many people just want to live in peace and harmony, but if they are silenced, something will adjust the pendulum.

However, calling people Hard Right, and Hard Left is never going to result in a balanced outcome. It's very easy to label people but when an opposing view calls someone this or that because it is an easy shut down, that's not going to keep the peace either.

Everything these days is blamed on HR or HL - polar opposites, shuts down free speech etc. Whereas most people are just trying to live ordinary lives and couldn't care less about political labels, they just want the best for women and their children in the face of an avalanche of disdain for female rights. Something's got to give.

whatchaos · 07/04/2023 17:15

SertralineAndTherapy · 07/04/2023 17:05

Good luck in getting an answer! "On a reading list on the teachers' section of the Government website" is hardly the same as "being taught in actual classes." (I think I'm out of this one, it's going round in circles.)

yep, had enough of this bollixology too! Playing the 'concerned parents' card is such BS

Flounder2022 · 07/04/2023 17:20

FOJN · 07/04/2023 16:32

Those parents said nothing about the other issues you mentioned. It's rather bizarre to think politically motivated parents are a bad thing unless of course you think democracy and the right to express yourself peacefully are a bad thing. Maybe I've misunderstood and it's being a parent AND politically motivated you have a problem with.

The parents were interviewed, there is no evidence to prove that they share the politically views of the person interviewing them. By your logic people would only be interviewed by news orgs who share their political bias so that their message could be shared in an echo chamber.

Did you deliberately ignore the post showing the other 'motivations' of some of these people?

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:21

It's utter codswallop to call concerned parents right wing Nazis... Even kids are becoming more nuanced. My niece told me in her school pronouns are going out of fashion.. Young girls are going to fight back too about getting their own spaces. They are going to realise how unprogressive the GRA is to women.
I hope that dad will start advocating for women's only spaces soon for his little girls because our womens rights here have been eradicated & we are expected to put up & shut up like some of the posters here are implying.

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Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:23

@Flounder2022 do you want a background to our Minster for Children Roderic O Gorman & his friendship with pedophile sympathiser Peter Tatchell???
It explains an awful lot of the ideology they are trying to ram down young childrens necks...

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whatchaos · 07/04/2023 17:30

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:23

@Flounder2022 do you want a background to our Minster for Children Roderic O Gorman & his friendship with pedophile sympathiser Peter Tatchell???
It explains an awful lot of the ideology they are trying to ram down young childrens necks...

Here's the background actually - stop spreading misinformation:

In a statement posted on Twitter in July, O’Gorman said he would not allow the claims linking him to Tatchell to stand uncorrected, saying they were “rooted in homophobia, stoked by anonymous, far-right Twitter accounts”.
“I knew of [Tatchell] as someone who stood up for LGBT people in countries where their rights were threatened. I was surprised to read some quotes from the 90s, which I had not read before,” O’Gorman said.

“Any of those views would be completely abhorrent to me. I’m glad to see he’s clarified and explained that what is being alleged isn’t his view.”

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 17:43

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Roderic complimenting Tatchell there🤔
Video in the comments of a very disturbing video with Tatchell, have a look. Comments convey current mood of the nation

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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whatchaos · 07/04/2023 17:50

And - as my post says - he later said he didn't agree with Tatchell's comments. End of story. Who do you think you are speaking of 'the nation'? How completely bizarre