AIBU - Transgender 'athletes'

[HappyHippo1234]

To start off - I have no issue with trans people at all. The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports.

Yes, they may have been taking hormones and they have lost some muscle and gained some fat. But, they have stronger bones and bigger spines, hands, feet, lungs and hearts. Basically trans females have an advantage over biological females.

What I absolutely HATE about the situation, it the trans athletes attitude, it honestly disgusts me. Did they never take biology as teenagers or learn about puberty?
For them to sit there with their wins and say that they have no advantage just p*sses me off. Are they stupid or ignorant? There's no way they don't know they have an advantage. Do they not realise they are taking wins away from girls and woman who have spent their whole lives training for a sport only for it to be taken away from someone who was a mediocre male.

Look at Lia Thomas, she was somewhere in the 400-500th best college male swimmer or something like that. She is now trans and BAM she is number 1 and winning everything.

It just annoys me to no end. Especially the trans woman who you can tell that they KNOW they have a major advantage and are cheating the system and then sit there with a SMUG GRIN on their faces. I mean every Caitlyn Jenner said it's wrong.

Sorry for the rant. My DD15 has been upset all week as on the weekend another girl beat all the girls by a huge stretch in her cross country meet (her team is usually 1st but were bumped to 2nd). At first everyone thought this girl was great, until one mom heard the group the girl was with discussing the results and how it was great for the team that this girl came out as trans and was boosting their results etc! Fair to say that news travelled quickly and there were MANY parents complaining to officials. But surprise surprise nothing was done about it. So at the award giving ceremony everyone waited as everything up to 1st place was given out and as soon as they got to the 1st team, I would say 95% of people walked away. It felt harsh but necessary!
(Also the girl was 16 and had only recently transitioned from what we could gather and when you actually looked at her you could tell she had gone through at least some portion of male puberty). Again nothing against the girl just don't think she could compete.

And to get around all these discrimination lawsuits, I think they should change the categories! Have an XX category and an XY category, that why there is no debate and no 'discrimination' as you can't identify as XY if you are XX! (And then also have an open category where trans, non-binary etc. can compete).

SORRY THAT WAS SO LONG. NOW FOR THE VOTE:

YABU - Trans (XX) women are woman and should be allowed to compete with XY women, even though they scientifically have an advantage.

YANBU - They will always have an advantage and so should not compete with XY women.

So let's see, that's a "you're all irrational, I know wimmin coz I code" flounce after about 15 posts full of links, evidence and good reasoning that absolutely destroyed him. Must have taken him about 20 minutes to write it, too.

Who had a fiver on that outcome?

I wonder if anyone might bookmark this thread and re-read it when they've cooled off?

”Calm down, laydees, you’re being shrill and illogical”.

Thank fuck there’s a man here to tell us we’re wrong, eh?

I do love though, being told what women have achieved in the workplace in the past decades by someone who I don't think quite understands what women have and haven't achieved in the workplace over the past decades.

Or what the motivations and the desired outcomes actually were....

In fact, my read on these posts are from someone who makes a similar simply wrong, but actually very wrong, conclusion as someone who has read somewhere that feminists who are stating that male puberty gives the male body advantages that can never be reduced or mitigated for over female bodies are 'sex essentialists'.

Like the argument that us discussing that women have bodies that are exploitable for their vaginas (a hole to fuck) and their uteruses to produce children, and that women should not be exploited, is us saying 'that is all a woman is.'

It is a bonkers and fucked up misrepresentation that doesn't even stand up to a whiff of scrutiny. But I have seen people who profess to be feminists who want males to be included in female sports categories say this. Because women understanding reality and standing up for other women doesn't fit into their brand of feminism.

Those feminists never quite understand that their own arguments come across as men's rights activism. Their understanding of feminism does not come across as based in reality or realism, it doesn't seem to centre all female people regardless of age or gender.

Some of the statements made on this thread today have been just bonkers! Really fucked up when you consider them again while reading through.

Then again, I am not someone who is well researched in feminism at all. So, what do I know.

Makeatitofyourselfism.

Well he certainly proved the bit about trying to look clever using long words and more words than necessary.

Shame there seemed to be no actual point to the essay other than he thinks if we re read the thread well suddenly realise men wanting to compete with woman is a great idea.

As woman (although with is technically correct I suppose)

What is that saying:

Biological essentialism: you are a woman, therefore you do the dishes.

Gender ideology: you do the dishes, therefore you are a woman.

A radical feminist: dishes can be done by any one capable.

i could have fluffed it though... I hope you get the intention.

Nope. I am still reeling about the fucked up take on equality and what people think women in the past decades were aiming for.

Like the argument that us discussing that women have bodies that are exploitable for their vaginas (a hole to fuck) and their uteruses to produce children, and that women should not be exploited, is us saying 'that is all a woman is.'

Oh yes. The "you have identified the problem and therefore you think the problem is good" line of non-reasoning.

A very handy tool for people who would like us not to notice who the problem affects.

Please explain why we changed from claiming women were equal to men to now expounding all the reasons why women are weaker?

Oh mate, your misogyny and stupidity are showing but if I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are hard of thinking instead I'll just explain that equal doesn't mean the same as.

Your point only makes any sense if you hold the belief that physically weaker means inferior.

Women have never argued that they are the same as men or that we possess equal physical strength. We are different but still equally and fully human.

If women had the strength to physically dominate men there would be far fewer complete muppets in positions of power and we wouldn't be having this ridiculous conversation.

I suspect that any person who believes that women and girls who are fucked off at being told that male people can be women and girls, just the same as them, really underestimate the impact that this male is having on women and girls.

https://twitter.com/saralikeclara/status/1643861659797053441?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

They also underestimated the impact of a male rapist who insists they are a woman. No. I don’t think women and girls who don’t believe that males can be women are going to ‘die out soon’ despite what some posters wish.

oops. Try that again.

I suspect that any person who believes that women and girls are NOT increasingly fucked off at being told that male people can be women and girls, just the same as them, really underestimates the impact that this male is having on women and girls

I suspect they know full well and enjoy seeing women losing their rights.

Well, I'd never realised that people tending to use words with more than two syllables were actually uneducated doilems, who were masquerading as well educated.

Truly, this is an informative place.

I'm sure you all mean well but the pages and pages of self congratulatory faux outrage are so wearing to read. I think I agree with most of you in practice, but the clever clever sneery tone is just so off putting at least to me, and there does seem to be a little gang here just waiting to pounce on anyone who doesn't fully agree with you. It's not much different to the pro-trans lobby in tone.

Why do you think our outrage is false?

I don't think tone makes that much difference really - the root is, it's unfair, whether we say it nicely or not.

Oh good. Someone has come to fill the void left by mark in policing our shrill, irrational tone.

nice laydees know that you catch more flies with honey, don’t you harpies realise?

“I think I agree with most of you in practice”

And where are the points that you disagree?

Yeah, this bollocks.

I haven't noticed any false outrage, just lots of people taking the piss out of someone who's posted a stream of unevidenced and poorly understood, erm, words.

And I'm still waiting for the answer of how para sport has got it right by proving males and females can compete against each other when para athletes compete depending on their level of disability - in separate male and female categories.

Oh, I missed that particular misguided pronouncement.

But HAS parasports got it right? It seems pretty arbitrary to most.

They usually pay good money for that, I've heard 😳