Page 19 | 'Queen' Camilla

Replitad · 2023-04-04T22:12:17+00:00

I wouldn't have called myself a republican before now but I think the 'Queen' Camilla thing has tipped me over the edge. Pretty audacious considering their history and I think a lot of the public won't agree. I certainly won't be celebrating or even watching coronation.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 10:58

SimplyAverage · 05/04/2023 10:35

Diana was born on 1st July.

Look at the wedding date, she was just barely 20, barley 21 when she had William.

She died at the end of August she only had her birthday 2 months before.

Look at how old Charles was when they married.

As I say nobody's brain is fully developed until 25.

Imagine being a teen, engaged and dealing with his gaslighting never mind the Palace PR too.

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In the 80’s it was very common to marry at that age and have babies young. My mum was 26 when she had me and she was considered an ‘older mother’. It’s still weird that he was so much older but we have to consider they weren’t held to 21st century standards.

bridgetreilly · 05/04/2023 10:58

She is, like every other king’s wife in our history, the Queen Consort.
She is, like every other king’s wife in our history, known as Queen.

This is neither surprising nor difficult to comprehend. And is hardly without precedent.

LemonRedwood · 05/04/2023 10:58

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 00:28

I don't think she is popular. No one I know likes Camilla.

Okay that is only my friends and family. And colleagues. But not one of them like Camilla.

I wonder is there any up to date popularity polls on Camilla. Where we can see how popular she is with the public

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All of my family, friends and colleagues like Camilla. So what do we do now?

🤣

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 10:59

LemonRedwood · 05/04/2023 10:58

All of my family, friends and colleagues like Camilla. So what do we do now?

🤣

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Fight!

My side will win 😂

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 10:59

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 10:47

I just felt sad for her seeing all the people on here calling her unhinged.

She had a tough life. She had died at a young age. Yet you see more people on here insulting her then saying a kind word about her.

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But she WAS unhinged. We shouldn’t only be nice about the dead, how patronising

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 11:01

SimplyAverage · 05/04/2023 10:47

What was done to her and her children has an effect to this day on her son Harry and us as he is monstering us as a nation over the damage done to his mental health by that affair fall out. It is an ongoing problem for us all.

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It’s not as simple as ‘Harry has MH problems because his dad had an affair’.

His parents divorced. His mother died. That affects children massively, as it did William

Not to mentioned Harry has a monstrous sense of entitlement presumably from being an aristocrat.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 11:01

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 10:49

The front story on the daily mail today is

"Camilla's long road to redemption".

Subtitle:

How she played the long game. How Camilla went from the queen hating her and the public hating her, to now being a much loved royal.

And we should all listen to the Daily Mail 😂

BMW6 · 05/04/2023 11:02

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 10:59

Fight!

My side will win 😂

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Well you're losing in this poll........😁

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 11:03

SimplyAverage · 05/04/2023 10:50

I am sorry you can't see that I am giving content to younger posters and have twisted what I said, I think you are being disingenuous and shall not engage with you again.

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You said

Fergie can't have given her teen friend, then a young mum - very good support and advice

Why should she have? She was just 2 years older than Diana and want a member of the RF! Why on Earth is it on Fergie to give support and advice?!

LaDamaDeElche · 05/04/2023 11:03

God people need to move on. Things happened a very long time ago. Things were done differently in the royal family then, but at the end of the day they're still people. People have affairs, get divorced etc. No one makes such a fuss when its a normal person. Diana did some pretty questionable stuff too.

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 11:05

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 10:59

But she WAS unhinged. We shouldn’t only be nice about the dead, how patronising

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I don't think she was unhinged at all. You do. Not everyone agrees with you.

In fact I wouldn't be cruel enough to describe anyone as unhinged.

I think a 20 year old marrying into the royal family would find it very tough. Especially as Charles didn't love and support her. She had anxiety and struggled. She wasn't unhinged.

Many women have not been able to cope with being in the royal family. Chelsey Davy said she found it severely stressful just going out with prince harry, as the media followed her every move. She said she couldn't bear the lifestyle.

It would have been difficult for Diana too.

RosesInWater · 05/04/2023 11:07

What amuses me about the RF is people saying things such as "I really like Camilla" etc.

Do actual human beings with intelligence not realise that they are being shown a total illusion about all of them by the Firm, the Press and so on?

I do not know any of them, therefore I cannot say whether I either like or dislike them. All we are seeing is what they want us to see, at a time/event that they decide "OK better put a pic out there, it's time for some positive vibes"

Once you see through this manipulation the illusion will no longer work for you.

Beantag · 05/04/2023 11:20

RosesInWater · 05/04/2023 11:07

What amuses me about the RF is people saying things such as "I really like Camilla" etc.

Do actual human beings with intelligence not realise that they are being shown a total illusion about all of them by the Firm, the Press and so on?

I do not know any of them, therefore I cannot say whether I either like or dislike them. All we are seeing is what they want us to see, at a time/event that they decide "OK better put a pic out there, it's time for some positive vibes"

Once you see through this manipulation the illusion will no longer work for you.

A good example of this is Harry. He was a popular (if not the most popular?) Royal, many people liked him and stuck up for him whilst behind the veneer of the media control he has since criticised. Now he doesn't have that to hide behind he comes across as arrogant, self absorbed, not the brightest bulb and actually quite pathetic and nasty. I suspect most people are aware and they're commenting on what we know and see about her, I don't think anyone is claiming to know her personally.

mollyminniemo · 05/04/2023 11:22

Can't stand the pair of them. She will never be my Queen. Totally agree with you OP.

LlynTegid · 05/04/2023 11:25

I expected her to be Queen Camilla all along.

If you want to see a republic, I don't think that should be a reason.

PrettyMaybug · 05/04/2023 11:26

Ignoring the obvious goady one on here (and their putrid, bile-filled comments,) I agree that Diana WAS virtually a child, and 19-20 IS a young age to get married. (Just because more people got married younger in the late 1970s/early 1980s, that doesn't change the fact that it's still young!!!)

But at the same time, I believe she knew what she was doing.

I quite like Camilla and Charles too, but I also very much liked Diana. I don't think there were ANY winners in that scenario - the triangle they were in. Charles wanted to marry Camilla but The Queen wasn't having any of it. She wanted him to marry someone pure and young and never divorced, and a virgin (although no-one can know for sure if Diana WAS a virgin.)

But yeah, Charles being coerced into marrying Diana, didn't result in happiness for him, Diana, OR Camilla, and I am glad he managed to forge a life with Camilla eventually, and find happiness with her. I am also glad Diana found happiness eventually too, with Dodi. Very sad that she was taken from us so young, but I believe she was happy when she died.

PrettyMaybug · 05/04/2023 11:27

mollyminniemo · 05/04/2023 11:22

Can't stand the pair of them. She will never be my Queen. Totally agree with you OP.

oh noooo. Camilla is going to lose sleep at night knowing she is not your Queeeeeeen. 🙄

Squamata · 05/04/2023 11:29

Hey wait! Maybe we shouldn't have a queen at all

IcedPurple · 05/04/2023 11:29

Camilla is the wife of the King. Therefore she is Queen.

IcedPurple · 05/04/2023 11:32

massivenamechnage · 04/04/2023 23:15

No it isnt- not on the invites- the consort is dumped

And a blue dress- who else wore an iconic blue outfit (for their engagement with a matching ring)

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Iconic?

Even by the standards of the time, 40 years ago, Diana's outfit was not 'iconic'. It was rather ageing and unflattering on such a pretty young woman.

BignBootiful · 05/04/2023 11:32

vera99 · 05/04/2023 08:28

Any mistresses watching on in here, the usual Mumsnet rules don't apply where you know you are the filth off the shoe breaking up marriages bringing in chaos you are literally the Queen anointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury no less. Not in my name. Not ever.

This.

And so early on in his marriage to a child really. Broke the girl's mind. It's truly awful. What if that happened to their daughters? Or to them? Would they be waving flags and rejoicing? Ever?

SimplyAverage · 05/04/2023 11:34

PrettyMaybug · 05/04/2023 11:26

Ignoring the obvious goady one on here (and their putrid, bile-filled comments,) I agree that Diana WAS virtually a child, and 19-20 IS a young age to get married. (Just because more people got married younger in the late 1970s/early 1980s, that doesn't change the fact that it's still young!!!)

But at the same time, I believe she knew what she was doing.

I quite like Camilla and Charles too, but I also very much liked Diana. I don't think there were ANY winners in that scenario - the triangle they were in. Charles wanted to marry Camilla but The Queen wasn't having any of it. She wanted him to marry someone pure and young and never divorced, and a virgin (although no-one can know for sure if Diana WAS a virgin.)

But yeah, Charles being coerced into marrying Diana, didn't result in happiness for him, Diana, OR Camilla, and I am glad he managed to forge a life with Camilla eventually, and find happiness with her. I am also glad Diana found happiness eventually too, with Dodi. Very sad that she was taken from us so young, but I believe she was happy when she died.

I don't think Camilla and Charles are happy at all, he seems full of melancholy and self pity.

I gather they hardly see each other that the marriage contact is similar to the affair level of contact and that he kicks furniture with anger. We saw a flash of this with the pens.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/04/2023 11:34

Mooshamoo · 05/04/2023 11:05

I don't think she was unhinged at all. You do. Not everyone agrees with you.

In fact I wouldn't be cruel enough to describe anyone as unhinged.

I think a 20 year old marrying into the royal family would find it very tough. Especially as Charles didn't love and support her. She had anxiety and struggled. She wasn't unhinged.

Many women have not been able to cope with being in the royal family. Chelsey Davy said she found it severely stressful just going out with prince harry, as the media followed her every move. She said she couldn't bear the lifestyle.

It would have been difficult for Diana too.

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Cruel enough to call someone camel face though

Mamamia7962 · 05/04/2023 11:36

Overthehill - Camilla wasn't considered "aristocratic" enough for Charles and too "experienced" that's why they didn't marry years ago. Plus it was rumoured at the time that her father placed a fake engagement notice in The Times to force Parker Bowles hand in marrying Camilla.

Mamamia7962 · 05/04/2023 11:36

Vera99 - That's actually a nice photo of Harry, he looks genuinely happy