To think the school shouldn’t be ignoring this?

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At my DD’s primary school, where there are a lot of children of teachers who attend - There was a mum’s night out last weekend. There, one of the teachers was making unkind comments about some of the children. Including that a couple were spoiled brats, she also speculated that ‘something is wrong’ with a particular child and also slagged off various parents. The people who attended the night out have complained to the headteacher as they felt this teacher, though very drunk, clearly crossed a line.

The school have done nothing but apologised on her behalf.

AIBU to think that more should be done and that they should be utterly outraged at this having happened?

The teacher concerned was unprofessional and should keep their thoughts to themselves. The head will follow the relevant disciplinary steps, which is right.

I highly doubt this teacher was on a lone woman rant about a range of pupils and parents though. Conversations involve more than one person, so I would also suspect that some of the other parents present were joining in and stirring the pot a bit.

The head has apologised on the teacher's behalf and it's being dealt with. YABU for wanting more details.

From what I understand - and I believe my friend - some joined in and she left too and expressed her disgust.

It’s doesn’t matter what other parents say - they aren’t obliged to protect children on their profession.

It’s a bit odd that you think it’s out of order some parents were slagging kids off but not their actual teacher. Are you just one of those posters who likes to stick the boot into OPs?

The Head apologised “on her behalf” but I’m too long in the tooth to accept bullshit insincere apologies. It’s utterly patronising to apologise on behalf of another human. The Head didn’t do it and he shouldn’t be the one making an apology.

She has been a fool. You aren’t going to get yourself any further though, the school have already apologised to you. Do you want the teacher sacked or your son moved to another class? The school probably can’t compel her to apologise to you face to face. You must know the other mothers there, how did the conversation come up?

Would you like to link to a single case where this has happened? (they are all on line- not the GTC any longer)

The Head apologised “on her behalf” but I’m too long in the tooth to accept bullshit insincere apologies. It’s utterly patronising to apologise on behalf of another human. The Head didn’t do it and he shouldn’t be the one making an apology
How can you conclude the head is insincere and patronising?

They've been made aware of a situation and have taken responsibility as head of the organisation to deal with it.

Op.... what would you like to have happen? Nobody can force her into a face to face apology.....so what else??

Also. It's second hand info, could be wrong

No I think you are wasting your time and energy. I would be going to the school INSISTING that if the teacher does think there is something wrong there what are they going to do about it? You want help for your child so use that to your advantage. You are literally crying in the wilderness going on about wanting a face to face apology.
I mention the other parents because it seems likely one of them has had something to say about your son and she responded. The teacher was foolish. I’d be more concerned that someone who doesn’t know your son in the professional capacity the teacher does was also saying something about him. People do talk, especially if they are linked by a school, club, whatever. It’s a way of bonding when you don’t necessarily know one another outside those confines. I also wouldn’t put too much store in what your friend said tbqh. Drink had been taken and apparently there has been a multi person bitch session about a lot of children going on for some time.

The teacher should not be discussing pupils with a load of blabbermouth mums on the piss, but you have to move smarter here and barking on about wanting a face to face apology isn’t going to get you where you say you want to go, which is help for your child.

The school will definitely have done more than apologise on the teachers behalf, but you won't be party to any further action taken.

Teachers,parents and large amounts of alcohol should be a never, never scenario.

I understand how you must feel.Write a complaint to the chair of governors.

You do not have the right to know how a school manages/disciplines their staff. That is a confidential matter.

I have no idea if the teacher will be disciplined and neither do you.

Teachers do work hard but that doesn’t make what she did ok in the slightest.

It does seem that school staff close ranks and defend each other to the hilt. It scares me TBH if there is a cover up culture. There certainly isn’t in nursing!

Righteous frenzy 🤔 I dont see anyone doing that. What I see is people encouraging the OP to insist it's dealt with. Appropriately. It hasn't been. Is it acceptable for teachers to be this unprofessional? For you to insinuate that the OP's child is at fault, as I said... Fucking. Hell 😁

It does seem that school staff close ranks and defend each other to the hilt. It scares me TBH if there is a cover up culture.
There certainly isn’t in nursing!

Why do you think this?

Just because she wasn’t sacked on the spot, doesn’t mean she hasn’t be in trouble.

This is absolutely awful OP and just proves the point that like in all professions, teachers can be very unprofessional. This goes beyond that though, I think she should be suspended! My SIL is a primary teacher and she slags off kids to us, which is fairly unprofessional, but she (rightly) knows that we don't know any of the parents and kids and we're not going to let it go further. It's a bit different slagging off anonymous kids to unrelated adults.

I would be tempted to move my child. Or tell the Daily Fail 😂you never know this thread might get picked up!

It came up because one mum mentioned her DD and another girl were butting beads a lot lately. Teacher pipes up (about the other girl, whose mum wasn’t there) “Oh yeah Lucy is a spoilt brat as well”. This was when I was still there. She commented on other ‘spoilt’ children too. I was driving so sober and said I didn’t like the way this conversation was going and she did a really childish “OooOOOhh” noise. At which point I thought ‘fuck this’ and left . The conversation continued after that

I don’t want her teaching my child anymore no I don’t trust somebody who does that.

The teacher will of course have to go through an internal disciplinary process. The school can’t win with you on this I think.

I’m not sure why my friend and another parent would make it up.

I don’t think an apology is a lot to ask and not sure why people are making out it would be an impossible task.

I want some proper action taken, not just lip service. There’s a history of piss taking by teachers who have kids and this for me is the final straw

Apparently my child doesn’t need help. I have asked, several times. The school stand by that assertion.

I never said I had a right to know. But I wanted more than “Sorry this happened” and nothing else at all

Why do I think they close ranks? I think it’s a culture issue. I have worked in schools before and the culture does seem…interesting

This is outrageous. I would be absolutely livid. I can't believe how many posters are happy with this teacher bad mouthing a child with SEN to other parents.

I agree with the poster above that I would call a meeting with the headteacher and say 'It appears Mrs X has concerns about my child's development. As I've previously raised my concerns too, is this a good time to revisit whether they need learning support?'

If you want them moved I would ask for that too. They don't have to tell you what they're personally doing about the teacher but I would expect them to be actually trying to resolve the issue with you.

Good grief.

Its not about winning it’s about doing something more than an insincere “we apologise on Miss Lewis’s behalf”.

Ah. I was going to give you a genuine answer, but I think you've just revealed your true purpose here.

Reported.

I want some proper action taken, not just lip service. There’s a history of piss taking by teachers who have kids and this for me is the final straw

You are still not entitled to know the details of someone's disciplinary. It isn't about what you think has historically taken the piss, someone's disciplinary processes aren't your business.

If you want to meet with the head and express concerns about your child being taught by this person, make an appointment to discuss it. The head might agree, they might not. They might still be investigating. They might be further down the line in more serious procedures.

If you're of the view there's a history of piss taking with several teachers at this school who have children in the school, you think the head is insincere, it's patronising for them to apologize on behalf of their staff, and you feel entitled to demand apologies from individuals/know details and want to ensure something is done, it would seem you don't have trust in the head to run the school.
If that's the case, it sounds like you might be better off sending your child elsewhere due to a fundamental breakdown of trust and relationships

You’ve reported me because I said there is a cover up culture in schools 🤣🤣🤣🤣 why?!