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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think the school shouldn’t be ignoring this?

279 replies

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 15:13

At my DD’s primary school, where there are a lot of children of teachers who attend - There was a mum’s night out last weekend. There, one of the teachers was making unkind comments about some of the children. Including that a couple were spoiled brats, she also speculated that ‘something is wrong’ with a particular child and also slagged off various parents. The people who attended the night out have complained to the headteacher as they felt this teacher, though very drunk, clearly crossed a line.

The school have done nothing but apologised on her behalf.

AIBU to think that more should be done and that they should be utterly outraged at this having happened?

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:28

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 22:24

The fact is the apology to YOU, only you, not you and your child, you and your partner and child, YOU, is your prime concern here. Your daughter is behind at school and you believe she has additional needs, but all you can think of is yourself. There are millions of children across the world who would give anything to have the chance of an education such as your child has access to. Education is the most important thing in a child’s life beyond their family, it sets the course of their entire life.

No.

My primary concern is that a dangerous teacher is being allowed to continue to teach and the school don’t seem especially worried that she behaves the way she does.

I do want and deserve an apology. That won’t change just because my DC isn’t getting LS. You haven’t answered how an apology would compromise my child’s education? You’re REALLY upset at the thought of me getting an apology, which is really weird.

And LOL at “miLLiOns oF ChiLdRen” - so what. Does that make it ok that she did what she did just because other children don’t get an education? No.

Why are you speaking objectively about other people’s children? My child’s health and happiness is more important than their education - not that I go around ranking what matters but it’s weird to declare that ALL children’s education so the most important thing (a VERY convenient opinion to have when you are sticking the boot in).

What happened to you that allowed you to have such low expectations?

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:28

And I don’t want my DC to get an apology because that would mean telling them what their teacher said about them.

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Rayn22 · 30/03/2023 22:33

Problem is. You weren't there! You can't get someone to apologise because your friends said so! It's hearsay.
She probably did say something but it's hard to prove.

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:34

It’s not a court of law. There doesn’t need to me behind reasonable doubt - 2 people with no agenda have complained they heard it. The school would be bonkers to ignore that

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saraclara · 30/03/2023 22:35

Any head that I've worked for would have gone ballistic if any teacher had done that. It was made very clear to teachers and TAs that any knowledge gained about children and parents while at work, should NEVER be taken outside it.

I did supply and part time/full time temporary work at my local schools when my children were young. My fellow mum friends then became the parents of kids I taught. I never breathed a word to them about anything school related, and they never asked me for information. I was ultra professional about it, and they were grown up and sensible about it. If I'd gossiped about other children to them, they'd have had reason to worry that I'd gossip about their children to others. And no-one wants that.

You will only get a general official apology from the head. The teacher will almost certainly be disciplined, but you won't be told anything about it, because that's how it works in any professional setting.

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 22:39

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:28

No.

My primary concern is that a dangerous teacher is being allowed to continue to teach and the school don’t seem especially worried that she behaves the way she does.

I do want and deserve an apology. That won’t change just because my DC isn’t getting LS. You haven’t answered how an apology would compromise my child’s education? You’re REALLY upset at the thought of me getting an apology, which is really weird.

And LOL at “miLLiOns oF ChiLdRen” - so what. Does that make it ok that she did what she did just because other children don’t get an education? No.

Why are you speaking objectively about other people’s children? My child’s health and happiness is more important than their education - not that I go around ranking what matters but it’s weird to declare that ALL children’s education so the most important thing (a VERY convenient opinion to have when you are sticking the boot in).

What happened to you that allowed you to have such low expectations?

I have very high expectations. I know the transformative impact of education and I am forever grateful to the education I received as it allowed me to excel in difficult circumstances. I cannot abide anyone who disputes the value of education to a child and who LOLS at the comparison to those who go without it, you should be ashamed of yourself for that.
You have had an apology. It’s not enough for you. Take it to the board of governors then. The teacher isn’t dangerous in any one’s world, she is foolish in her conduct.

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:45

So I should be ashamed because I laughed at the ridiculous comment that I should be grateful for this shit show of teacher because other kids don’t have an education - it saying to Tibet parents that children are spoilt brats and have something wrong with them is ‘not that bad’

Seriously you are out to stick the boot in and would have done so whatever stance I had.

The teacher IS dangerous. To freely slag off small children and break school policy is dangerous.

I have not had the apology o deserve and yes I do want it.

You are ridiculous and I did laugh at your claim to high standards

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 22:46

Other not Tibet

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BoogieBoogieWoogie · 30/03/2023 22:49

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 17:38

Highly likely

What a pair of nasty witches

Pubesofsoberness · 30/03/2023 22:54

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 22:39

I have very high expectations. I know the transformative impact of education and I am forever grateful to the education I received as it allowed me to excel in difficult circumstances. I cannot abide anyone who disputes the value of education to a child and who LOLS at the comparison to those who go without it, you should be ashamed of yourself for that.
You have had an apology. It’s not enough for you. Take it to the board of governors then. The teacher isn’t dangerous in any one’s world, she is foolish in her conduct.

Education certainly hasn't made you a pleasant or happy person by the sounds of it

Genie321 · 30/03/2023 22:57

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 19:38

I don’t want her teaching my child anymore no I don’t trust somebody who does that.

OP, there is no way I would leave my child in her class. That's the first step.

The second step is to have a face to face meeting with the head to know what steps they intend to take to ensure this never happens again. To your child or to any other children left in her class/due to enter her class. The school has a duty of care. Parent's leave their children at school and it should be a given that our children are safeguarded. You have every right to find out how the school will deal with this, for your child, the children left in her class and any other child due to enter her class, if the school intends to keep her.

jemimapuddlepluck · 30/03/2023 23:00

OP, ignore the dickheads on the thread, they have seized an opportunity to make you feel like shit, dont take it personally. Pity them.

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:04

Pubesofsoberness · 30/03/2023 22:54

Education certainly hasn't made you a pleasant or happy person by the sounds of it

Very pleasant and very happy. This is all about the OP’s ego and nothing to do with the child or even the teacher. The title of the thread is even that the school shouldn’t ignore this. They haven’t and aren’t. The disdain that so many on this site have for education and educators is genuinely shocking for me. And before the hard of thinking start, no that doesn’t mean teachers should be let away with breaking professional standards but the actual education of the child is clearly a secondary concern to the OP here and she has said as much herself.

Pubesofsoberness · 30/03/2023 23:13

A pleasant happy person doesn't act like you do

jemimapuddlepluck · 30/03/2023 23:17

Pubesofsoberness · 30/03/2023 23:13

A pleasant happy person doesn't act like you do

A very lonely person does though. You are wasting your time, they get their kicks from this.

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:50

jemimapuddlepluck · 30/03/2023 23:00

OP, ignore the dickheads on the thread, they have seized an opportunity to make you feel like shit, dont take it personally. Pity them.

Trust me, I do. There’s definitely a certain type of poster who just sticks the boot in whatever - and had I been the teacher posting you can guarantee certain players on this thread would have ripped into me!

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:53

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:04

Very pleasant and very happy. This is all about the OP’s ego and nothing to do with the child or even the teacher. The title of the thread is even that the school shouldn’t ignore this. They haven’t and aren’t. The disdain that so many on this site have for education and educators is genuinely shocking for me. And before the hard of thinking start, no that doesn’t mean teachers should be let away with breaking professional standards but the actual education of the child is clearly a secondary concern to the OP here and she has said as much herself.

My ego 😂 because it’s just so social elevating to have an apology for a teacher making derogatory comments about your child.

Yes their education is secondary to their health and happiness. SO WEIRD that you have a problem with that and education being at the forefront as you claim it has with you clearly just makes a person a weird unempathetic bellend.

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Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:53

Pubesofsoberness · 30/03/2023 23:13

A pleasant happy person doesn't act like you do

By what? Encouraging the OP to focus her ire on doing something to help her child in their problems at school rather than wanting to flatter their own ego? Gees what an unpleasant bitch. I suppose I should join the lunch mob instead

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:55

I also think there’s a lot of power in an apology. It’s not just expressing remorse, it’s showing that it won’t happen again. That’s important in this case. If there is no apology from the Teacher it’s perfectly fair to assume she thinks her actions were fine.

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Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:57

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:53

My ego 😂 because it’s just so social elevating to have an apology for a teacher making derogatory comments about your child.

Yes their education is secondary to their health and happiness. SO WEIRD that you have a problem with that and education being at the forefront as you claim it has with you clearly just makes a person a weird unempathetic bellend.

SO WEIRD that you don’t realise you child’s lifelong health and happiness is intrinsically linked to their education… You have repeatedly said that the most important thing to you here is that YOU get a personal apology from the teacher when you have already had an apology from the school. Your ridic comments about me ‘getting the boot in’ by saying you are over blowing this and encouraging you to try to use this to get help for your daughter only underlines the fact that it’s alllll about you. Good luck 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:58

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:53

By what? Encouraging the OP to focus her ire on doing something to help her child in their problems at school rather than wanting to flatter their own ego? Gees what an unpleasant bitch. I suppose I should join the lunch mob instead

I have tried to help my child in school. They don’t need LS. Not sure what you can’t understand about that. The drunken rants of a particularly stupid teacher doesn’t change that fact.

And you haven’t encouraged anything - you’ve sneered at me, downplayed the seriousness of what this woman has said and done and made out in an awful person because i don’t refuse to do anything ever because eDuCAtiOn - because in your world doing fuck all for yourself means you don’t care about your child’s education 🤣 embarrassing

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 31/03/2023 00:00

Eyerollcentral · 30/03/2023 23:57

SO WEIRD that you don’t realise you child’s lifelong health and happiness is intrinsically linked to their education… You have repeatedly said that the most important thing to you here is that YOU get a personal apology from the teacher when you have already had an apology from the school. Your ridic comments about me ‘getting the boot in’ by saying you are over blowing this and encouraging you to try to use this to get help for your daughter only underlines the fact that it’s alllll about you. Good luck 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Yes it is important and yet you STILL haven’t explained how me getting an apology compromises my child me education? I can’t join the dots on that one.

what advice have you given? That rather than taking a professional’s advice I should take stoutly some pissheads drunken ramblings and use that as a professional assessment of my child? You think that’s brilliant advice 🤣

You just don’t like people not adoring teachers. Just admit it.

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MachboosRubyanAnne · 31/03/2023 00:00

*seriously not stoutly

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Eyerollcentral · 31/03/2023 00:01

MachboosRubyanAnne · 30/03/2023 23:58

I have tried to help my child in school. They don’t need LS. Not sure what you can’t understand about that. The drunken rants of a particularly stupid teacher doesn’t change that fact.

And you haven’t encouraged anything - you’ve sneered at me, downplayed the seriousness of what this woman has said and done and made out in an awful person because i don’t refuse to do anything ever because eDuCAtiOn - because in your world doing fuck all for yourself means you don’t care about your child’s education 🤣 embarrassing

Genuinely I feel sorry for you that you think education is something to be made a joke out of. It says much more about you than me.

MachboosRubyanAnne · 31/03/2023 00:01

The disdain that so many on this site have for education and educators is genuinely shocking for me

So no one can ever have disdain for an educator? Even when that educator is dangerous, breaks policies and confidentiality and clearly shows disdain for children?

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