Led by donkeys - enough is enough

[Thisisvenus]

Bloody hell, I’ve just watched the new “led by donkeys” video. People like Matt Hancock wanting to work for a fake consultancy firm for obscene amounts of cash.

I cannot tell You how angry MPs make me right now.

I have a relative that is an NHS dr on £14 an hour. She pays for her own travel and parking. All her study… she pays for. She is so busy she sometimes doesn’t eat.

then these idiots earn loads, and then claim back loads of expenses. Disgusting in my opinion. They then get second jobs that pay them £10k a day. Without even checking if company is real first.

In my opinion an mp should only take a second job if it’s in the nhs, army etc or a volunteer job for a registered charity. That’s it. No other reason.

I can’t even process this. I’ve had enough. What on earth can we do to change this? And yes I’ll not be voting Tory at the next election. They are a bunch of posh rich boys that want to just look after themselves. Politics should be more diverse. what on earth can we do?

They say ignorance is bliss.

It pretty obvious in 2019 that B Johnson was a lying narcissist and his ‘oven ready Brexit’ was a pile of bollocks. I do think it’s very depressing that a vast numbers of the British public looked at him and thought ‘yes this man has the moral calibre I look for in a PM’ - remember the fridge and all that other stuff?

Point is where we are now was predictable and I’m not confident that these people will make different choices at the next election.

@Thisisvenus

Every party is the same, just look at all the Labour, LibDem, SNP issues with MPs

you say you will vote Labour, so be it. They are all as bad as each other and it’s a pity you are only prepared to blame the tories

i won’t be voting next time

I'm not sure, I think some of us predicted it all quite well, covid aside. If you really thought in 2019 that Boris Johnson was going to lead a set of morally-upright MPs who'd work tirelessly for the public, I wish that we had met because I also had some magic beans I wanted off my hands back then.

ThreeFeetTall
There was a politician that didn't take bribes, stuck to his convictions over the decades, and (if rumour is believed) got divorced because he wanted to stick to his principles.

This politician?

Corbyn defends £20,000 payment for Iranian TV appearances

https://www.timesofisrael.com/corbyn-defends-payment-for-5-iranian-tv-appearances/

Having said that I think the 2nd jobs thing is complex. An outright ban won’t work for professionals in medicine or law who need to keep up their skills by law.

there was a minister who also worked Fridays as a GP. He needed to to keep his registration and it kept him aware of the real world.

So? They are training to become specialists. They are treating patients and making independent clinical decisions. Do you think that they only become doctors when they become consultants or GPs years after graduating and practicing medicine?

I'd rather hope that every doctor continues with training throughout their careers.

For example, when Mr Braun first put a stent in a newborn baby with pulmonary atresia early on in his career viagra had not been invented. Because he continued to learn, train and develop his skills throughout his career newborns who have that procedure are regularly given viagra, which increases their chances of staying alive.

You say they are all as bad as each other.
Can you find me an example of an MP from any party other than the Tories who has been convicted of breaking the law while they held high public office?

"It might be less. My relative has just had to pay for all her specialty exams, on top of parking, and student loan repayments. She never ever leaves on time ever. sometimes during busy times it’s a couple of hours extra a shift."

The above post made it sound like she was a student doctor.

Rather than acting all high & mighty and argumentative why not just admit it doesn't hurt to have clarification.

I admitted I was wrong about junior doctors pay and honestly it didn't hurt that much 😀

The fact is that many well educated, highly qualified people earn a lot more than 80k. So should MPs be drawn only from lower paying careers, or from the exceedingly wealthy who can afford to earn less (and are then blamed for being wealthy).

Or do we expect intelligent, experienced competent people to limit their earnings - and their families' lifestyles - to be an MP?

it's a controversial view, but I'm not against MPs earning a bit more, and their expenses being capped and scrutinised at a level akin to the scrutiny i get when i claim travel expenses at work.

I would prefer a model where their assistants etc are paid by the civil service, and not via an expense claim. That way they would be subject to the same rules that other small business/self employed people have. I would also introduce a minimum distance from their place of work before they can claim a 2nd home allowance (and it wold be something like 90 minutes) etc etc

2nd jobs? run through an independent ethics committee. Donations? same. Clear and transparent accounts for all.

I'm not a tory voter, and while i didn't exactly dance when she died i did loathe Thatcher and all she stood for. But compared to the current tories? Those were days of small c conservatives and the level of corruption - there was sleaze after all - was of a whole other magnitude.

PP asked what you do if your local MP is good, effective, and clearly works in the best interests of their constituents but you don't want to have their party in government? I would say, vote for them. Or if they have a huge majority and you really don't want to vote for any other candidates either? don't vote. (i know i know - turn up and spoil your ballot?

I agree with you in regard to the politicians. Matt Hancock requesting £1,500 per hour is just shocking. They are so out of touch with the reality of so many people.

However, I don’t have sympathy for your doctor relative. Firstly, if she’s on £14 per hour, it’s because shes very junior. Doctors salary’s bands increase substantially faster than most other employment sectors/job roles. You make the point that she pays for her own travel, parking and her choice to do further study…. Don’t we all?! Some people are even paying for these things on minimum wage.

I don’t understand this, “oh the poor doctors” - they are doing very well in terms of salary, in my opinion.

The above post made it sound like she was a student doctor.

Only to someone who has no idea how Drs training is structured. And there you were, making pronouncements from a position of ignorance whilst appealing to the authority of your own employment in the NHS. Maybe put your spade down now?

Students don't take specialty exams. Most students (I only use the word most because for some time I was in reciept of a student loan whilst also paying it back, but that situation is vanishingly rare) don't make student loan repayments.

So it is utterly illogial to conclude from those words that they were a student.

Or you could just spend a bit of time on the internet learning about how medical careers progress like I have done and understand that speciality exams occur after a doctor has begun practicing medicine.

Many scientific and numerate careers are similar in that they have additional experiential training to become a senior practitioner for example becoming a chartered engineer or chartered accountant. Of course, this not the same length or depth as becoming a consultant in medicine.

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It pretty obvious in 2019 that B Johnson was a lying narcissist and his ‘oven ready Brexit’ was a pile of...

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Like many professional careers in the public sector they have seen huge levels of pay erosion over the last decade and more. That is the problem.

They should be doing very well as they are highly skilled, highly trained professionals doing life-saving, stressful and intellectually challenging work.

Matt Hancock requesting £1,500 per hour is just shocking

Labour MP Jess Phillips was paid £15,000 to host a single episode of Have I Got News For You.
Ms Phillips was approached for comment by the Mail on Sunday and accepted that £15k is ‘a lot of money’ but believes ‘it’s the standard fee’.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/07/labour-mp-jess-phillips-paid-15000-to-host-have-i-got-news-for-you-16063846/

Except I admitted I was wrong about pay.

Questioning why people choose to go into a profession that is known to have shit working conditions and pay before you choose to is not really a question for Google.
It's a question on a personal level and as I said it's good to ask questions as it's the only way to move forward.

I was wrong, I held up my hands and said I was wrong but that doesn't mean I can't question anything about it.

As for having malign intent what a ridiculous thing to say.
Nobody can question anything about NHS staff & pay these days without being accused of something bad.

I went into the NHS because I thought at the time the wages were ok and with a decent pension and annual leave it appealed to me.
Even back then I had read about the terrible conditions and pay of junior doctors so from my point of view I wouldn't have even considered that role for me.
So yes I will question why someone chooses to do it knowing how bad it is supposed to be.

Wonder what Johnson received for HIGNFY.

But I doubt receiving a fee from TV production is a security concern.

Nope I just read NHS doctor and reacted.
The OP later made a post that came across like her relative was a student so yes clarification was needed.

You can always rely on clavinova for a bit of deflection and whataboutery

Ooooooo you're so clever aren't you 😁

I was waiting for them to turn up. So boring.

Everyone whinging about the Tories would do well to remember this mad lad.