Led by donkeys - enough is enough

[Thisisvenus]

Bloody hell, I’ve just watched the new “led by donkeys” video. People like Matt Hancock wanting to work for a fake consultancy firm for obscene amounts of cash.

I cannot tell You how angry MPs make me right now.

I have a relative that is an NHS dr on £14 an hour. She pays for her own travel and parking. All her study… she pays for. She is so busy she sometimes doesn’t eat.

then these idiots earn loads, and then claim back loads of expenses. Disgusting in my opinion. They then get second jobs that pay them £10k a day. Without even checking if company is real first.

In my opinion an mp should only take a second job if it’s in the nhs, army etc or a volunteer job for a registered charity. That’s it. No other reason.

I can’t even process this. I’ve had enough. What on earth can we do to change this? And yes I’ll not be voting Tory at the next election. They are a bunch of posh rich boys that want to just look after themselves. Politics should be more diverse. what on earth can we do?

I will never understand why people voted for a man to run the country who you wouldn’t trust to mind your kids, feed your cats or water your plants. It was hardly a secret that Boris Johnson is a proven liar and cheat, it’s a matter of public record stretching back decades. The UK has been fucked by the Tories, they have ruined my retirement and I just hope I die while there’s still an NHS to give me all the free morphine I’ll need.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
Take their copy and paste job at 12:54 which they claim shows Kier Starmer isn't "tough on crime". Only problem is the "proof" is written by a self proclaimed gossip columnist in a Conservative magazine (no chance of bias there) and also completely and utterly ignores the very pertinent fact that Kier Starmer is not in power, has never been in power and therefore t cannot be said whether he is tough or lax on crime with any real measure of confidence.

Starmer doesn't get a great review in these Guardian/Independent articles either (as director of public prosecutions):
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-labour-leadership-cps-ian-tomlinson-john-worboys-a9276321.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jul/23/ian-tomlinson-ruling-fight-whitewash

@Clavinova post a few links criticising Boris for balance, go on

Slow down, you might run out.

And at least Starmer has a moral compass. Unlike Johnson who lies

Guido spotted a change in Starmer’s Durham beer and curry story this afternoon, as he defended the lockdown booze-up on Loose Women. Asked to clarify the numbers in attendance Sir Keir confidently said there were “about 15 or so” there. Back in January on LBC’s Call Keir, however, ‘Mr Rules’ claimed there were only about six in attendance. Not a convincing witness, the hesitation in answering Nick Ferrari’s question in January was noticeable. Now he’s changed his answer.
https://order-order.com/2022/05/16/starmer-revises-count-up-from-6-to-15-attendees-at-beergate/

Slow down, you might run out

I am going out in about 20 minutes.

If we each click on all your links do you get paid more?

Yeah rightio Clav. If you think BJ has a moral compass, doesn't lie, doesn't obfuscate, doesn't exaggerate, doesn't mislead.... I feel a bit sorry for you to be honest.

How in god's name you can still defend him, I do not know.

I would trust Boris or starmer to water my plants snd mind my kids! For goodness sake get a grip. You might not agree with their politics but they are not bad people.

Where can one watch it?

What do you think your links prove exactly?

Starmer was DPP for 5 years and as the CPS oversees 800,000 prosecutions a year I'm not sure that decisions on 3 hih-profile and controversial cases out of 4,000,000 prosecutions is enough to make a valid judgement on his performance in that role.

Is the DPP is also independent of the government so doesn't set laws/acts/policies/regulations/etc, so again we can't say with any confidence that Starmer is or is not tough on crime because he's never been on a position to implement his stance.

beguilingeyes
while his wife was having cancer treatment

Why do you keep repeating this false (and malicious) rumour concerning Johnson's ex-wife and her cancer treatment? You have posted this claim a number of times. It's been clarified that Marina Wheeler was diagnosed with cancer the year after she separated from Johnson, and some months after she had obtained a decree nisi in divorce proceedings.

Didn’t he father a child through an affair whilst married ?

I think there is a balance to be struck here.

If you listen to Rory Stewart talk about the life of an MP and the amount of abuse they receive (especially women MPs) it's a pretty miserable existence. By paying them and the PM so poorly, we are creating vacancies for people who are either so impervious to criticism they are callous, or they are desperate for notoriety, or both.

His moral compass spins anyway it can to get elected. They all do

Precisely - show me a person of real integrity and I'll show you someone who'd go nowhere near politics no matter what they were paid

And that's the answer to "they need paying more", because we could pay them ten times as much and I still don't believe it would stop the money-grubbing. Unfortunately greed creates more greed, so we get the jostling at the trough because "everyone else is doing it" and why should they be left out?

There is a fab book on how we recruit and pay politicians (all parties) and what they do. Cashed why we get the wrong politicians
https://www.waterstones.com/book/why-we-get-the-wrong-politicians/isabel-hardman/9781838958473
We basically make it really hard to get selected (you need time and money to 'prove' yourself, the two main parties have different set ups and labour arguably allows for more non traditional routes but it's not miles better). So it's very self selecting. I couldn't even think of trying to stand for any of the major parties as my time commitment to my job which I need to keep would rule it out. So it becomes the preserve of the priveledged, well connected or trade union graduates....(or sometimes special advisors)

The old boys can't live forever.

Eskarina1
Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak both released their tax details and it makes for very interesting reading (spoiler, Starmer earned a lot less and paid a lot more). Starmer also said he'd change pension rules in a way that would personally negatively impact him

Starmer said he would change the tax law in a way that would personally negatively impact him after he was found out:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sir-keir-starmer-hypocrisy-pension-scheme-labour-lifetime-contributions-b1069085.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/22/labours-attempt-blame-tories-starmers-pension-tax-deal-backfires/

Continuing the 'donkey' theme - Starmer recently sold his 'donkey field' for an estimated £400,000 - this will appear on his next tax return so we don't yet know how much capital gains tax he has to pay. A bit rich if Starmer has made a profit of £300,000 say and he increases capital gains tax for everyone else in two years' time. (Starmer purchased the land in the 1990s. For all we know there haven't been any donkeys on the land for 10 years or so - has anyone actually asked Starmer that question?);
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-sells-donkey-sanctuary-28757467

I really do have to go out now.

Sadly the party system only allows psychopathic narcissists to succeed.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1639982033681149962

Just in case anyone was in any doubt how easy it is to scam an ex Tory Chancellor.

I think getting rid of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre would be a start.
Murdoch has been a malign influence on this country for decades and The Mail is a horrible hate filled rag.
Whoever wants to be PM more or less has to suck up to Murdoch to get elected.
The media here is almost exclusively right wing. Witness Laura Kuensberg and Fiona Bruce with her 'it was a one off' comment.
Can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn had moved his pregnant mistress into No. 10?
He'd have been virtually strung up.

Nope. But the OP is giving info out of context. Qualified doctors absolutely do not get £14 per hour. When you’re training, you can’t do stuff a qualified doctor does. You’re learning and studying. Once you qualify, doctors will get substantially more than £14 per hour.

I totally agree with this!

I cannot understand how we have handed such unfettered power and influence over our union of countries to Murdoch, Dacre and Rothermere, who have been behind the scenes pulling the strings of politicians, destroying the moderate centre, driving a narrative of hate and “them and us” to line their pockets. They now have such immense power and influence no one dares to stand up to them.

i don't in anyway support the second 'jobs' buying influence in the LBD video, and acknowledge that there are many like them; however I do find it a bit hypocritical to say an MP can't possibly have time for other work activities, have to dedicate themselves to MP role...
But of course in their spare time, some MPs can run the country (allegedly), the treasury, NHS...

The six days a year jobs proposed by LBD seemed far less arduous - even if travel involved.
Do the constituents of MPs who are also ministers have a raw deal?
I have an MP who is a leading Shadow Minister - claims she can't do stuff as 'not appropriate' for a shadow minister, or one response was 'traditional for shadow ministers not to do X"

'No they don't. They provide carefully selected extracts and articles that they think back up a particular view while studiously avoiding any follow up questions. Take their copy and paste job at 12:54 which they claim shows Kier Starmer isn't "tough on crime". Only problem is the "proof" is written by a self proclaimed gossip columnist'

Well that is how debate goes, you provide links that support your views. I love how Clavinova rattles everyone's cages with their evidence, so much so that a pp had to resort to use a mocking name as they are so out of their depth and unable to dispute the facts.

Tbf most 'Bozo is EVIL' posters tend to use folk like Mirror or Guardian 'reporters' who are pretty much gossip columnists.