AIBU to think this man (who has undergone no transitioning) should be allow play on women's teams. Sick to my stomach this is happening.

[Mommymoments]

https://extra.ie/2022/09/09/news/transgender-gaa-player-speaks-out

This man (in red) has undergone no attempt to transition. Yet he's playing on women's GAA football teams in Ireland because he feels he's a woman.
Imagine him tackling a poor woman would have no chance. Prior to that he played women's rugby.
Why is this happening in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, toilets.
Why are trans women's rights more important than ours.
This man (who is in no way a woman or even a trans woman) needs to play with a team where the rest of the players have penises too or else start his own trans league. Get out of women's sports & spaces.

This:

What happened was of course, most people wanted trans-people to be who they wanted to be and not be discriminated against or abused.

But then goalposts were moving from someone being a trans-person who had gone through a formalised process to become who they wanted to be, no process being required. And the forcing of wanting to remove the word 'trans'. Then forcing of nor only removing the word trans, but wanting to remove the words or concepts that were not only biologically accurate, but had been used for millennia.

And any objection to the distortion of those words or concepts was screamed at as bigotry or -phobia. A woman became 'anyone who tells you she is' and women have penises and men have uteruses and can be pregnant and give birth. It wasn't enough to say trans-women can have penises and trans-men have uteruses and give birth.

So it bizarrely became accepted that men have uteruses and give birth and women have penises and no cervix but should be invited for a cervical smear test.

And you can't mention that the woman that just literally beat you up in the MMA ring was quite recently a male member of the US armed forces. Or the woman that beat you at college athletics was a male till recently and still has all the biological male physical advantages.

You can't complain that you're a woman who has experienced gendered violence from men and then you're in a rape crisis group, or a DV shelter or a prison and a male bodied woman comes in and makes you frightened or even physically or sexually assaults you.

Cause then you're a bigot. And a transphobe. You're a privileged 'cis' person who should stop discriminating against a vulnerable population. If you don't stop complaining, then people will die because of you.

And I was in this debate from the beginning. And really was thinking a lot of concerned people were transphobic at the start. I thought it would never happen that biological male sex offenders would be placed with vulnerable women in hostels and prisons.

I never thought biological males would want to compete in women's sports.

I never thought biological males would want to get awards or job roles that were specifically for women.

I was naive. And the announcement by Seb Coe yesterday about athletics brought it home to me as I thought 'thank God, that's actually sensible' and realised how mad it had all become that that had to happen. That it was ever considered okay in the first place.

Does it ever happen the other way? Transmen playing in soccer teams? No. Why? Because biological women aren't stupid enough to think it is acceptable

@NewCarOldCar or it's proof that men have a biological advantage which a trans man can't compete with.

It is ridiculous! Especially as he isn't trans,

It is ridiculous irrespective of whether or not he's trans. The Athletics Federation have called it right in banning this nonsense.

If he in any way touches a woman inappropriately during a football match hopefully he will be arrested for sexual aasualt and stuff his 'feelings', the woman's feelings should take precedent.

What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality?
I believe this is already happening. They're called Mermaids residential weekends.

Now is the time for other sporting organisations to seize the moment & slap a ban on all trans in women's sport.
They need to be told go play with the big boys like themselves or start your own trans leagues.

I really hope you are joking

What’s next, off to camp to be cured of homosexuality?

Surely homosexuality is 'anti-trans' - feeling attracted to people based on their sex rather than their 'feels'... so perhaps the trans community would like this idea.

Just seen this, I was very confused

Yep. They know no matter how much testosterone they inject, they will never, never beat a biological man in any competitve arena. And will actually be at physical risk of harm if it's a contact sport.

Same as trans-men aren't wanting to be housed in men-only hostels or go to male.

Because despite identifying as male or wanting to be viewed as male, they are biologically not. And they know they would be extremely vulnerable due to their female biology, in a biologically male environment.

I don't know of any case anywhere where a trans-man wants to be in a male prison. Even if they did, a government or prison authority would not approve it. Why? Because they'd be at huge risk.

Whereas when it comes to men identifying as women and wanting to be housed in women's prisons, they aren't at risk from the women. Just the numerous women around them are potentially at risk from them. Which is okay apparently and the people saying 'no' are the nasty transphobic bigots.

In your opinion, there is nothing.anywhere that shows he is the same as Andrew tate - nor that he is right wing - and quite frankly the right wing stuff is thrown around to readily in order to silence debate - imo.

And please lose the patronising tone.

The reason a lot of lesbian women pulled out of the Pride movement and parades was because they were accused of bigotry and transphobia for not wanting to have sex with a 'female penis'.

Its not even legal there now to exclude males from female groups, is it? I’m sure I read something about lesbians not being allowed to arrange female only meetings as it was against the law to exclude men?

I wish I was too.

I give you Self ID.

Which is something the Labour Party will introduce if they have their own way.

Transwomen are women plus. Just like women but even better, with their penises and all. Better at sports, better at work, better authors, artists, politicians, better at being women than the pesky women without penises women.

"@MaryHinges
I do wonder how some people on this thread would cope if their son told them he thought he was in the wrong body and wanted to live as a woman."

I have an adult son who cross dresses. I suspect there's an AGP element to it, based on his fashion choices, although he would probably deny it if asked. I'm betting on him 'coming out' with it the next 6 months. He's autistic and suffers with depression and ptsd from bullying. I don't make a fuss when he puts on a dress. But I absolutely do not affirm him as 'a woman'. He knows my GC stance, and my beliefs that you can't change sex. He attempted suicide last year (not related to the x dressing) and is now awaiting proper in depth therapy via the mental health team.

I would STILL be against him competing in women's sports, using women's changing rooms and taking women only spaces, simply to 'affirm' him. And if he threatened suicide if I didn't, I'd be involving the crisis team pronto.

Acceptance of reality is vital, for long term mental well-being. I love my son and accept he wants to appear 'feminine', even though that is, in my opinion absolutely buying into regressive stereotypes. However he's an adult and is allowed to do that. If he crosses a line by expecting me or anyone else to pretend he's an actual woman, that's when things get serious.

However, in a martial arts class (not a sport) surely this is an ideal opportunity to train... (you're not hoping to only be capable of defending yourself against women, are you?)

id take issue with this. Martial arts are so much more than just ‘self defence against a man‘. Martial arts teach fitness, camaraderie, self esteem and are damn good fun. In my experience Sparring with a bloke, unless it’s an instructor, often doesn’t teach you much because they can usually overwhelm you the second they get within reach (and their reach is longer and reactions are faster anyway). I’ve done judo, karate, MMA and sword sports. Even with a weapon like a sword, an average male can just smash through any attempt to block them. You try to parry a strike and just end up being hit with your sword, then theirs and spraining a wrist as well.

if it’s self defence you want, you’d be better off doing a specific self defence course — and even then, the strength difference is such that the expert advice to women is more along the lines of ‘try not to get into a situation like that, and if you do, don’t fight, just bloody well run‘

@CandyLeBonBon you sound like a wonderful mum💐

Yes! It's his right! He should be allowed to play in the TODDLER's team ! Madness!

I’m confident you can hold gender critical beliefs, be appalled by the behaviour of individuals within a group without assuming that’s how everyone in the group thinks/acts

But can TRAs do the same? They’re very keen to pigeon hole people into a woman or man box depending on their behaviour and interests. I think you should go preach to them that their entire movement is based on outdated, sexist stereotype and to stop labelling people men or women based on what they like to wear or how they behave.

It really is censorship. I don't want to derail your thread here with discussion of the compliant and complacent Irish media (because that's a whole other thread in itself) but just for the benefit of UK posters, it might seem paranoid from a UK perspective to think that the Irish state exerts undue influence over the media here but it really is not too far from the truth of how things work in Ireland. For example, regarding the Barbie Kardashian story, by Wednesday evening the Independent's eye-catching headline article with Leo’s comments about biological males in women's prisons was redirecting online to a different article with Simon Harris's more wishy-washy statement. The original article actually disappeared. It’s almost as though someone from Leo’s press office made a phone call to the editor….

I’m confident you can hold gender critical beliefs, be appalled by the behaviour of individuals within a group without assuming that’s how everyone in the group thinks/acts

That may be true but if you are GC it’s likely you disagree that people can change sex and that women deserve single sex spaces and sports

So the outcome is the same. No males in female sports, prisons and so on

I think I’ve seen this discussed before. It feels like this man is just taking the piss out of trans people

I think it's women who are the butt of the joke, more than "trans people".

Yep, sure I have seen something similar in a horror film. Just more proof that heavy makeup, wig, fake tits and ‘feminine pink’ clothing does not make a woman. There is a bit more to it than that which some feeble male minds cannot, or won’t, accept.

in mean why do they always wear pink (or orange)? I posses nothing in pink, not even a pair of knickers.